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Hello. Hello, I'm Katie and welcome back to Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.
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Today we are booting up to 1985 for weird science, a teen fantasy where two nerds
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use a computer, adult, and a lightning storm to create the woman of their dreams. It's chaotic, cringey, and Peak John Hughes in all the best and weirdest ways.
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Returning to the show, we have Chad, along with New to the show Russell,
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but both from Retro Movie Round Table. Thank you both for joining me for my season two.
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What have you guys been up to on retro movie Round table lately? Well, we turned 300 episodes, so that's pretty exciting.
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So we're in our eighth season and we hit the 300 mark. episode. Chad kept saying we had to cover the movie, 300 for 300.
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And I kept trying to avoid it 'cause I don't love it as much as everybody else, but it still worked out and I think we had fun.
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I tried to stay positive anyway, so, but yeah. But Richard Movie Roundtable, we're still covering movies that are 10 years
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or older and we go all the way back for as far as whoever knows how long. So we've even covered a few silent movies along the way.
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Largely we hit the nineties and eighties, like where you're spending your time here on Retro Made.
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the best in my opinion, but I mean, I'm not biased for anything. It is the demographic it works.
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Yes. So, but we also will, we'll hit everything in, in between. So So Chad joined me last season for Ghost Boost.
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Yes. Yeah. That was a lot of fun with Lizzie. Yes. Mm-hmm. And you guys will have to go check out Retro Movie Round Table, because
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yours truly has guested on their show. A couple just once. No, twice Mystic Pizza and Willy Wonka.
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Yeah. Soon to be Pizza. soon to be rocky. Ooh, is that the one that you
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Mm-hmm. Okay. Oh, okay. So you guys go check it out? I am biased, obviously.
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Mystic Pizza, great movie, Willy Wonka, great movie. And I'm like maybe one of the biggest Rocky fans ever.
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So come check us out over on Retro movie round table. All right, you guys, season two, we have a wheel that we spin for the time capsule.
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So let's open the time capsule from August of 1985, and if you're counting
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Yes, that is 40 years ago, you guys. 40,
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bad. Yep. It's the year of my birth, so that's, yeah. It feels bad for me too, Chad.
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40 years ago. I'm going to share the wheel. Spin on your behalf.
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Now, we did already cover 1985 in the Breakfast Club episode, so we're
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gonna spin the wheel if we came to a category we already covered. We're just spin again we have
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back in the headlines. All right. Hmm.
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Which milestone in reproductive technology occurred in 1985 a, a
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groundbreaking medical procedure that resulted in the world's first child conceived outside of the womb.
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Oh man. Well, it wasn't me. Not in August.
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This, I remember this being like oh, oh, remember the first blank, blank baby
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Test tube. Test tube. baby Yeah. was really reaching there. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
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The, first test tube baby. Now I know you guys are a little young, but you know,
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appreciate that. Thank you. I was already born. Was four here. Not in a test tube.
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No, in, yeah, not in, not in a tattoo, criminal known for a string of
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terrorizing crimes in California. In California was finally apprehended after eluding authorities for months.
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1985. 85. was it? That's late for Manson, isn't it? So, yeah.
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He. If I recall correctly, it was like the neighborhood kind of helped
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capture him. I'm terrible with these murders now I'm really actively avoid
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Yeah, ' cause I like to just think that things are okay. Tag in Lizzie, yeah, I don't,
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Uhhuh. So I totally I've seen the documentary about it. It's Richard Ramirez.
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I don't even, yeah, that's the first, that, that's a new one on me. Yeah. Okay. Well if you're not true crime, then that would, yeah.
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Okay. You should get this one who became the general Secretary of
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the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in 1985. Is this Gorbachev Yeah.
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What's his first name? Mikhail? You Okay. All right. one more from this
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didn't ask me which side of his head. His birthmark is on her. Oh geez. Do you know? I dunno.
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I do share a birthday with him though, so I Oh, really? a weird bit of trivia.
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I know I had to do a history paper on my things that happened on your birthday. So oh.
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I was like, how do you even know that? Okay. Interesting. Okay, 1985, the FBI took action against a powerful group of criminals in New York.
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Who were they? the criminals or the people?
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Uh, The, the, The powerful group of criminals.
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The sticky bandits, Gotti family. I dunno. You're closer, Chad.
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It's much more vague. It is the five Mafia families. Okay.
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Okay. All right. You guys aren't very good at this category. No, I, I like to think things are okay in the world, so I avoid
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knowing things that are bad. let's spin again see, oh, let's see.
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Retro runway. If one material dominated 1985, what was it?
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Spandex. Good guess, but Oh man.
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Chad Velcro also a good guess.
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No, you guys are thinking too hard. It's denim. denim. Oh, did never goes away.
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Oh, know jeans were everywhere, but they weren't just pants. They were? jackets, Yeah.
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I had a jean jacket. acid, acid wash and stone wash. Denim became especially popular.
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Adding a grunge twist to the classic fabric. Denim jackets were practically essential, worn, oversized, and adorned with pins and
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patches. Do you guys remember that? Flair. Yeah. with all the pins and patches? You had to have enough pieces of flair.
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you were babies or are not even born yet. yeah. had a jean jacket, definitely. I mean, I didn't put a lot of flair on it, but I mean, it was, it was around,
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it carried over. Yeah. I it. Yeah. Yeah. outfits. Plus we're in the middle of the country, like you, we're not on the coasts.
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So it takes a little longer for things to get to I definitely had, I definitely had plenty shares of jean shorts.
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I don't know what, what point those became. Not cool, but I definitely, I'll say that I had js.
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Oh jorts. yeah. That lasted well into like early two thousands. I feel like. Now I will say, it says double denim.
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Yes. Denim on denim was no longer a fashion faux pa, but a sought after
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look with celebrities and everyday people alike rocking the style.
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It just reminds me of Super Troopers. What's with the Canadian tuxedo? Yeah. Or let's do one more.
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'cause there's a lot to get into with weird science. Ooh, ooh. This should be fun if we haven't covered it already.
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Russell's worst decade from music. Boombox bangers.
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You guys, these are the five top songs for the whole year of 1985.
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I will give you clues, but do you have any guesses off Something from Prince
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I know that was 84. Um, uh, From Prince. from Prince in 85. Wow.
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I was gonna say it's, in the top 10, but not the top five. yeah. Cyndi Lauper.
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guest. Somebody very similar. Is this a aha take on me? Maybe.
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No. That would be, yeah, from are two songs in the top five from the
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same band or group. Two, the number one song.
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Here's your Clue. A saxophone riff that became iconic paired with a ballad of regret, propelling two British pop stars into global superstardom.
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What was the name of the song? Was that careless whisper? It was Chad.
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I'm impressed by the guest, given that clue, I mean, the saxophone is just that's iconic.
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and that is wham featuring George Michael. Does Now the num
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I I didn't have it. I'm sorry. good. Ru Russell and Wham do not go together.
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I prefer the, I prefer the see version, but don't throw things at me. The group wham, also had the number three song overall in 1985.
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Any guesses? Does it wake me up? Wake me up before you go. Go. Yeah.
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Oh, it is that, yeah. So that the number one and number three. Wham. Okay. Number two, a dance anthem of innocence and passion.
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Where a singer with a revolutionary fashion sense introduces a bold personal declaration of new love.
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Madonna. Yes. What's the song? Material girl. Well,
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Bold, personal Declaration of Love. I would've guessed like a virgin, but I think it's
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It's, it's like a version. Yeah, like a Oh, Okay. Okay. The number four song.
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heartfelt power ballad that merged rock with emotional yearning. Its title becoming a Metaphor for the Search for Deeper Connection.
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It's a good song. Power ballad looking for deeper connection.
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So it's not su su studio. The group is foreigner. Foreigner. helping you at all?
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mean, they had cold as ice, but that that wasn't Hmm? I wanna know what love is.
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did. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Foreigner, Mm-hmm. Okay. Now this last one I wouldn't get 'cause I'm just very unfamiliar, but
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maybe you guys will get it Number, the number five song for 1985. A funk fused song that merged soul and pop with a forward
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thinking sound giving, a legendary vocalist, her most memorable hit.
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fuck. Funk and si. Yeah. I'm, I'm thrown off by the funk.
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It'll make sense once I say it, but Yeah, the hers making me go to Whitney Houston or Tina Turner, or and now,
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now I gotta get the funk in there. Gosh, with Rowan. Rowan down the river would sort of make sense.
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It's just so much early. That's not even eighties. That's before that. Gosh. Cindy lamp, the, the funk thing.
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It's really throwing me off. Taken me out of all of my female eighties artists. Madonna's not gonna fit that.
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No. Nope. We give up. give
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is, yeah. I don't know who's, who's the funk Female. Chaka Khan.
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Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. okay. feel for you. I never would've got No. with her, so, but yeah, I feel for you by Chaka Khan.
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All Great. Did pretty good on the rest of them, so nice. Thank you for playing with me, even though you were far too
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young to remember, if at all. Chad, were you not born yet in 1985? 90, 84 for me,
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so, 84 Yeah, for so you should, so you should have done a little better than me on that, Chad. Yeah, I mean,
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on the music than you, you did, which I did. won that bet. Russell is our music guy.
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This season, I'm not gonna ask you about Patrick Swayze or Kurt Russell. Chad, but
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That's a shame because we're crazy for Swayze. Ugh. I know, I know,
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John Hughes. I love John Hughe do you guys think? What's, what's your history? What do you, how did you first
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discover him? All that stuff. first, discover him. Chad, do you wanna go first? I feel like first discovery was on like TBS reruns.
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Mm-hmm. John Hughes marathons and so you run into the National Lampoons.
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I didn't really associate him with Home Alone until we wound up covering it on Retro Movie, so we covered that.
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I'm like, oh, he was a producer behind this. So getting to come to that, but, you know, breakfast Club pretty in
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pink, 16 candles, all of that was just, you can't even find it anymore.
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I don't know if they do it anymore, but it used to be an old day thing and you would just catch whatever you could.
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For me, I think the first one I probably saw was probably Mr. Mom, but I definitely didn't associate it as being like a anybody's effort necessarily.
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So home Alone was a big deal for people of my age group, and like
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a lot of people would say that that was their favorite movie. Back when it came out. So Home Alone was a big one.
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Uncle Buck was probably where I'm starting to pick up the name and starting to make connections and start to say this is this is somebody.
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And then later down the line, I didn't come to Ferris Bueller until like as a teenager probably, which is fine.
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'cause I think you appreciate it more than anyway. Yep. So Ferris Bueller and breakfast Club, I think.
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I think Breakfast Club is where it's just like, this dude's a good writer. This is really, really good. And then you start to connect everything.
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I actually. Beethoven was another one of the early ones I mentioned. I left off as a kid, so I don't think of, I don't think of his, I don't think of
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like Baby's Day Out, Dennis the Menace and like Beethoven, some of the later stuff. So I probably actually came to some of that stuff even earlier.
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But when it all started to connect was when I, by the time I got to Breakfast Club and like Uncle Buck and stuff like that, I was going back as a teenager and getting them, I mean, I didn't realize National
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Lampoon was him, her for vacation. So I mean, everything he's done makes me happy.
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Maybe until towards the end. I think some of the family entertainment kind of things were semi disposable
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for the late nineties, but certainly through the eighties and into the early nineties, he was absolutely on fire.
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Everything he does is outstanding. Amazes me. He's such a fast writer every time we've covered one of his movies.
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He like writes these things in, in just a week. And then this one, I think this, what we're covering today is two days time, which is amazing.
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So, I mean, i, it makes me feel unproductive. Like I can't get much stuff done. So I mean, two to,
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I'm like, I need a nap. Just listening to that. I'm an architect and I've been working on the same building for three
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years, and it's still not built yet. So, I mean, it's it's it's amazing. So Russell gets paid to drag his feet though, so
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Mm. Yeah. John Hughes, man. Without further ado, I think we should get into
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weird. science.
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this came out August 2nd. , 1985. Breakfast Club came out in February of 1985.
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sucker came out six months later. And , those are two of my favorite hues movies. So I am just like, it's just wild that these two movies came
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out in such close succession. And apparently Hughes was not very happy during the filming of this
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movie because it interfered with him working on the Breakfast Club.
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But he agreed to direct it because Universal gave him a deal. We could also direct what he valued more, which was the Breakfast Club.
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So that was the deal he made. This is PG 13 and it has a 6.6 on IMDB and he both directed and wrote on this movie.
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And there are a few other writers which is a little unusual. But this is like you guys said, another instance.
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We hear these stories all the time about him writing so quickly. Were you familiar with the other two writers, Alf Feldstein,
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and William Gaines at all? I've not done a deep dive for them. No.
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I had never even heard the names before. But they're both known for sci-fi and horror comics and also writing
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for Mad Magazine and a couple episodes from Tales From the Crypt. So they must be collaborators.
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They kind of, they, 'cause they have a very similar writing history. So this, so
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because this was at a comic adaptation, right? It was like it's a made, comic.
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yeah. Made from the future with feldstein contribution. Right. So that, that comic strip that you're talking about,
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Yeah. right? Yeah. Or there's a comic book. I, I actually didn't, but yeah. It's a comic. Right.
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Mm-hmm. If you guys haven't seen weird science in 40 years or if it's been
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a while, I know it's been a while. For Chad, how long has it been since you saw this Russell? I definitely saw it in high school and I thought that, you know.
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I caught it on tv. I thought it was more edited maybe than it was. I saw it again, you know, uncut in college and definitely was
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still pleased at how it held up. Not on tv, Mm-hmm.
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I just probably haven't come back to it, probably in, it's certainly been, you know, 15 years or something like that.
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In my head, in my head with all the changes and what is funny and the line of comedy is always moving and the line of comedy has moved a great
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deal since this movie came out. So I was a little bit worried for it coming back to it
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saying has this not held up? Or is it gonna be full of things that you wouldn't do today? Or is it cringey And I was kind of relieved and said you know what,
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there's a lot you wouldn't get away with doing in that same way today, but it's also not, it's not egregious.
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It's not, it's not like it's No. 16 candles right. It, it but, but Hughe has this warmth
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to his writing that we've talked about. We talked about the speed. It's funny, but it's not just funny.
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He, he makes you have positive feelings and connect to the characters. So there's, there's a positive quality when you watch a lot of
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Hughes's work that, you know, his ability to make you feel the feels.
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And even though this is a total absurdist movie, there's still growth within the characters.
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And, Oh, and a, there's a moral aspect I. Or a, or a, maybe not a, maybe morals not the right word, but I mean, coming
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of age, that's, you know, that's Hugs notorious for that, but there's, there's definitely some learnings that happen.
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Some. Life advice that is learned from this in a very strange way. But I very unlike you guys, this is I'm giving away my thoughts,
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but I absolutely adore this movie. This is one of my favorite movies. I think it's my second favorite John Hughes movie.
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literally owned it on VHS and then DVD, and now I own the digital version of it
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and I, so this is one of those that I just keep buying, over and over again. But if you guys are not like me, and it's been a minute, the description
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of weird science is too high. School nerds use a computer program to literally create the perfect woman who
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promptly turns their lives upside down. All right, let's get into the cast here.
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Anthony Michael Hall, very common Hughes collaborator.
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What do you guys think? Michael Anthony Hall. Oh, he's, he's wonderful. I mean, him and John Hughes just.
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Go together. It's, it's funny that he had to get out of the National Lampoon role
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of rusty just to do this movie. Then kind of creates that curse of Rusty's a different person every single time.
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Which is a fun gag I guess. is. Yeah. yeah, he's wonderful. And Russell had linked that interview of the cast reuniting and just to
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see what a good time he had and the camaraderie he had with his castmates. That was just wonderful.
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'cause a lot of times you revisit these movies and I don't think we've ever had it on a John Hughes movie we've covered, but people were complaining, oh, the set
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was awful, or Co coworkers were awful. Seemed just everyone had a fondness for each other.
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Great point. It was nice to see that. Thank you for sending that Russell. We'll talk a little bit more about that reunion clip that, that you
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shared of the three main castmates Anthony, Michael Halls young.
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This. And it's nice to see somebody who's actually young and not a 28-year-old playing an 18-year-old.
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I think that there's something really nice and refreshing about that. Even though this movie's older, it's hard to say it's refreshing, but it
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is cool to see actual young people playing young roles and for a young person to, what I wanna say is Anthony Michael Hall has a little bit of his
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awkwardness still in him from his adolescence and he also has a good sense
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of humor that is already developed. So, he is funny. I can see why he goes on to be on Saturday Night Live.
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He gets a very short run, but I can see why they wanted to bring him on. I believe he's still the youngest person to have ever been on.
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Saturday Night Live as a cast member and I can see why Hughes kept coming back to him. He has good facial reactions, he has good sarcasm.
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He seems cool, but even though he's in this moment, he's supposed to be nerdy. So there's a sense of warming up to him that even though he is
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a nerd, he's getting picked on and ostracized and made fun of. He still seems very relatable and likable and he's definitely the
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cooler of the two of them in this. And the humor hinges more heavily on him than it does
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his CoStar, Ian Mitchell Smith. So, without Anthony Michael Hall here, none of this is gonna work as well.
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He's really, really important. 'cause if you wanna get down into what's your most important casting, I think.
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You know, Kelly Lerock is like the image of what we all remember from this movie, but Anthony Michael Hall responding to, and getting into all this
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stuff, he does big eyes really well. He has these, you know, big reactions whether it's him going out and
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getting drunk and talking I guess this still called Jive talk or whatever. I mean, cringeworthy. That
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well that's the part that I don't think would hold up as well today, but I still have to admit he may not hold up as well today, but I still think it's funny.
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So, I mean, you know, he is, he, he fully commits to it and he, he
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is the one that I think is kind of the axle of this wheel that this all make basically has to work on.
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Oh man. Really good points. I will say he, so he plays Gary and then I always thought Wyatt, the name of the
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actor who plays Wyatt was Ian as well. But it, it just looks like it because it's a capital I next to a lowercase l
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Ellen. island. Yep. name is Alan, it's my mistake Then. I, I only learned that now that I'm like digging into weird science,
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it's Elan Mitchell Smith plays Wyatt. And to your point about Anthony Michael Hall, now, and I don't mean this to
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degrade Elan at all, but there's a reason Anthony Michael Hall was a star and Elan, wasn't Their acting abilities were vastly different.
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I thought we saw it in, in several points throughout this movie that Gary, it was just like, yeah.
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On fire. And, and Wyatt was just kind of there to play off a little bit. And I don't know, whyt just kept screaming, Lisa, oh my God, I
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didn't love his acting as much, but Elan, made $150,000 in 1985
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for making word science, which is. I don't, I don't know how everybody, how much everybody else made. I just thought that was really interesting.
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He was born in New York and he was more of a dancer. So he was in ballet, enrolled in dance classes, eventually got a
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scholarship to the American Ballet. And while he was at the ballet, he was discovered by a casting agent
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for the director Sidney Lumette. Is it Lumette? Or Lume?
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I, I've, I've heard louette. I feel like I thought we've covered him. anyway, yeah. Anyway, and
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Swayze connection, though. The whole ballet background. point. So he was signed to play to Timothy Hutton's character as a
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young boy in the film, Daniel. And then he, that led to a major role in the wildlife, both in the early eighties
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and then this, and then he did not continue acting very much after that.
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And he's a professor. He's in higher education now, mm-hmm.
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Now two guys on the show with me, I mean, I could hardly contain myself at the beauty of Kelly Lerock.
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I mean, wasn't she almost like there were just no words. She's like, perfect.
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Was it just me? I don't know. I thought Kelly Lerock looked perfect in every way.
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She's very pretty, but I think what does it is the accent, just her, her manner of speech is, there's something about it that's just sexy, but still calming.
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She's, she's this chaotic force amongst the boys' lives, but she's very in control of it the entire time.
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That's really hard to do. she's motherly in, in a weird way. She's motherly to them.
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Like it's a strange, that's how it's other, she's 23 years old, or her character Lisa, and these boys are 15.
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But somehow. It's not that creepy or is it, I don't know.
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Like it never could happen. The reverse, like the reverse could never happen. But in some weird way it kind of worked somehow because she was sort of acting as
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their like mother fury, godmother type. I don't know. What do you guys think?
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Is it creepy? I, I had this problem when we revisited big 'cause Hmm.
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Tom Hanks is a child and you wind up sleeping with a child and the, that revelation doesn't really land on the female character.
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And got two realizations, magic's real, and I've just slept with a child. I'm like, okay, this, this movie doesn't work for me as much.
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This one, I think it works out better because she's the heart of it. It's an AI program.
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She's like a manifestation of Alexa now, or Hmm. so you can.
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Get past the shower scene because the shower scene is very early on. It's like, eh, this, this probably isn't great, but she's not real.
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I mean, she's real to the touch and everything else, but she's a computer program. She's not a adult woman.
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So I, I think that makes things funnier when she's going on and got the little
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tiny underwear and she says, do you think a 15-year-old boy would like these? And she's, do you have a matching bra?
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And it's this elderly woman at the checkout that's just scowling at her. That's fantastic.
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Yeah. But they do sleep with her. I mean, it's not shown on screen, but they do both sleep with her, correct?
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Wyatt, she has that illusion of you you tapped out after 10 seconds of my gymnastics routine.
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Mm-hmm. I guess there's plausible deniability, but. 'cause at that scene, she says something about they're arguing about Chet and
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him standing up to Che and she's like, you're letting this affect your sex life,
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yeah. And then later when they're talking to the perfume girl, they, they, call her their lover,
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Sex pot. Actually, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they do kiss her, you know, like passionately
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It's funny because if you inspect any of it, it's, it's rife with problems.
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You, you, you, but it's what you call absurdist. I think it's one of these things where none of.
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Is serious and the more serious that the others take it, whether it be Chet, the grandparents or the people around them, the more surreal it becomes.
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And when you go back and even cover an art, like a March Brothers movie, grouch show is saying preposterous things that make absolutely no sense whatsoever,
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but they're taken with great deal of seriousness by those around them. And that is funny then, and it is funny in the eighties and it's still funny now.
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So I think, I think that it is established very early when the boys make Lisa,
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this is going to be off the wall. Crazy. They've hacked into a high security thing like a La war games, whereas
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that's the whole plot for war games. But here it's just like a little footnote of we see them, you know, we need more power.
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They go to a station and stuff like that. It's Frankenstein, it's war games, and it all happens in like a 32nd clip.
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There is music and there's cues that go into this that say. We're not taking this seriously
30:51
Right, and we are all in on it as an audience. So, no, I think there's something that you said if you make a drama movie
30:56
where it's like I'm in love with a 15-year-old boy or something like that. Now we're having a different time.
31:01
But from the get go lingo bingo said, you shouldn't take this seriously. You know, I mean the music, everything is, is done to say that
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we're here for humor and given that it is all ridiculous, it is.
31:15
It is poking fun at the teenage male fantasy of what if you did get everything you wanted and we're remarkably simple creatures?
31:23
And then that's funny. That's a funny thing. And it's own right. Eight. I did appreciate the contrast though.
31:29
That was when they're designing Lisa and they talk about chess size and they go
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on the smaller side, but then you get Robert Downey Junior's and the first thing they're, they say is large breasts. Large breasts, blow it up.
31:42
And that hacking scene we did, we covered hackers a couple years ago. It made hackers look
31:47
futuristic for hacking. This Yeah, they're, they're playing some little spiral tunnel game.
31:53
There's no internet, like none of this is possible. it thought the graphics were pretty good for 1985 though, I, I, I really
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enjoyed it, including like the, the like lightning magic effect.
32:07
That's so eighties. Yeah. I love it. I love it. Now, I as a person who does not have giant breasts really appreciated
32:15
even as a kid the contrast. Wyatt Gary choose they say something about, now here's also where the,
32:23
the edit for TV comes into play. They say something about anything more than a
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handful is risking a, thumb. tongue. Mm-hmm. other thumb. Yeah. Yeah.
32:34
Either way. And, and I was like. A great, I appreciate that.
32:40
But the, the TV version says they don't say a sprained tongue 'cause that's inappropriate.
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They say a waste, like anything more than a handful is a waste or something like that. Okay. Yeah. I was like, Hey, I like that.
32:54
And then whoever, if it was John or somebody else, must also feel the same way about breasts.
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Because when Robert Downey Jr. And the guy who plays Max, who's super hot they're like all bigger boobs.
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Bigger boobs. And then they say the, I don't know if it was white or Gary says something about, oh, you like him on, on the knees.
33:14
Like meaning oh, just give her a few years and they'll be down on her knees if you choose somebody that
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Yeah. a gigantic. So I was like, ah, atta boy.
33:25
There are people who pull off every beauty at every figure height. And I mean, so it's it's sexiness is not just some specific
33:35
dimensions that go into a computer. So, but Yeah, but the point for this is like you said, this is a
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15-year-old boy's fantasy. yeah, What would your woman look Like, You know what I mean? but back to what Chad said, a lot of it's her attitude.
33:48
She's remarkably confident patient. She's not like demanding like she's pushing them to make them better.
33:55
There's a mentorship quality. She, Kelly Lebr said, I'm like Mary Poppins with boobs.
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Yes. yes. think that something we've all been touching on of like why this movie works. She's helping them grow.
34:06
Ultimately they end up getting the girlfriends that they wanted, they had no possibility of achieving and they didn't have it within
34:12
themselves to obtain that level. And she's not only helped give them the handicap, the head start, maybe
34:19
even run half the race for them, but. She's also helped them grow to where that they can now do this.
34:27
that's, The self-confidence. Yep. That's definitely the thing that rings true, at least for teenage boy status.
34:34
I certainly wasn't in the Robert Downey Jr. And, and Max Club. So I was that awkward guy that
34:39
Oh yeah. somebody to inspire confidence. And part of the fantasy is, okay, this, this beautiful, sweet girl is
34:47
with a jerk, and I knew how to talk to her, maybe I could be her boyfriend.
34:53
That's, that's more of the fantasy that this approaches it from, and it's relatable for somebody like me of seeing these, these jerks.
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But they're really good looking and they're confident they come to the realization at the end, oh, Wyatt and Gary are willing to stick up for us.
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They're willing to take on these wild eighties plot points of biker threats,
35:15
Oh, we will get, we'll get there. Oh my God. Yeah. She also teaches them that you want people to like you for who you
35:24
are, not what you can give them. we see those things throughout the movie that she kind of tries
35:30
to impart on them, pay off later. But just to finish the conversation about Kelly Lerock, I thought
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she was really good in this. Like she's not known, like she didn't do a whole lot. but Kelly Lerock.
35:42
It's probably most known for this in, in her trademark, in addition to her pouty lips and big hair is her accent.
35:49
she was born in New York, but raised in London, which gives her this
35:55
kind of combination of a London, but also trans-Atlantic accent that nobody has that accent that she has.
36:02
Yeah. It's very specific to her. Now she is the daughter of a French Canadian father and an Irish mother began
36:09
as a model, lots of magazine covers. And she became one of Eileen Ford's most sought after models.
36:16
She did a few things before this, not big things, but then she appeared in hard to
36:22
kill with her then husband Steven Segal. So, I have no idea why I, this is still very perplexing to me that she ever
36:30
married Steven Segal and proceeded to have three children with him. I am so glad you went there. I didn't know if you were saying, I have no idea why she was in hard
36:36
to kill or married Steven Segal. I'm Seriously. Seriously what Kelly? Kelly look at you and then look at Steven Senal.
36:45
Now here is a little crossover with our Willy Wonka episode. When she lost her father, her acting mentor, Jean Wilder became her
36:54
surrogate father, and they remained close friends until his death in 2016. Did you guys know that?
37:00
didn't. And they're in a movie as well, right? Woman in red. Yes. Yeah. Oh, I didn't realize.
37:06
I've not seen that. But yeah, that was one of her earlier roles. Okay, that makes sense then. So she had just done that before this, with those two connect there.
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So Okay. Good great. bit Jean's, great.
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She He really is. comedy really well, so. Mm-hmm. So Kelly Lerock also came in late.
37:26
Kelly Emberg had the original cast. By the way, like she's like on the Sports Illustrated
37:32
swimsuit issue in the eighties. She's a model. She's beautiful in her own right. And actually if you showed me like photos of both of them, I would say
37:38
there's no need to recast anybody. To Chad's point, it wasn't working. They had, they threw out work that they had done.
37:46
Much like when you cover back to the future. Michael J. Fox didn't have the original casting and they threw away weeks of work.
37:54
They threw away 'cause it wasn't working. And they went back and they got Michael J. Fox and it worked. Similar deal here, maybe a little bit less dramatic than having
38:02
that much budget thrown in the garbage, but still a big deal. And then they went back. They had considered her, but she didn't necess, she wasn't really
38:09
sure she wanted, so she was like with the sting at the time. I think she was mentioning like just having a good time on the French Riviera.
38:14
yeah. Yeah. So um. horses. Yep. So they come back and get her, and we talked about Anthony Michael Hall.
38:23
This movie doesn't work. This movie also clearly wouldn't have worked with the wrong person in the wrong chemistry. So again, that calm, cool attitude that I think being British
38:32
helps certain in the role. Yes. Mm-hmm. Emberg. Kelly Berg's super pretty, but she's also not British.
38:38
I mean, there's just the making sure that you get all these things cast
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perfectly is a big part of why we're still talking about this 40 years from now. And it's not just covered in the sands at times.
38:50
So Hughes also has a good point. Like he knew something wasn't working and Kelly was the missing ingredient
38:57
to, to come back and do this. The casting was really good. Yeah, All around, since we're on the topic of the casting for Lisa, to me, Moore and
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Robin Wright also auditioned for the part. I saw that, and I cannot imagine Robin Wright maybe to me more, but Robin
39:17
Wright you've got Princess Bride like somewhat close in, in range to this. Mm-hmm.
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That just doesn't, it doesn't match in my brain. there's probably other people who could have done it.
39:30
but Kelly Lerock her look, her accent, , her just Aura Kelly Lerock was perfect.
39:38
Lisa? I think so. I really, very glad. That they risked the three weeks that they filmed with the other Kelly.
39:47
But yes, you guys Bill Paxton, Oh man.
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Chet, what a character. He, he made a side character, one of the most memorable
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characters in movie history. It's just amazing.
40:07
Again, exaggeration. So important you have a bad bully military brother.
40:14
You could write that on paper, Mm-hmm. but Paxton dialing it up to 11 is what makes this all work.
40:21
He's so funny because. He's awful. Like you hate him. Like you, you have to hate him.
40:28
But he's full of exaggeration and absurdity in his own right. He's full of nothing but problems.
40:35
So, I mean, Yeah. but so, sakes, cover yourself.
40:40
oh, that was, that was so funny. You know, with the gun in people's faces, like in the morning and you
40:46
know, hitting people and like taking his allowance and, you know, I'm gonna tell mom and dad everything.
40:52
I'm even thinking of my, make some stuff up too. He's great and it's fun is when you hear the actors talk about Bill.
41:00
He wasn't that guy at all. Makes it even better. Bill was a pretty super cool dude and all the young actors really appreciated him.
41:06
He was not overbearing and telling them what to do, but he was valuable to them as a mentor on the set.
41:13
Bill was a fun guy to be around and people liked. So, and it's fun when you can see somebody who's so not that turn into
41:21
somebody who's, you know, he must have met somebody in his lifetime who, who
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then he is able to channel into this thing this, this moment of, I really don't like
41:33
you and anything about you and how you treat people and walk through the world. And then through the beauty of gift of comedy and acting, he's able to
41:41
transform that into this thing that can bring joy to so many people.
41:47
Like with the cigar and everything. That was very specific, you know. John Hughes has had some sibling trauma or something.
41:54
I don't know if he has an older brother, but like Buzz and home alone, I feel like Good Yeah.
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And I, I, I just have a younger sister, so hopefully I wasn't the che in her life.
42:06
But yeah, he's a ridiculous caricature. But you see these in eighties movies, we have these stereotype bully older
42:14
siblings, and Bill Paxton is just, he's despicable in the best kinda way.
42:20
I, I loved it. And the senior referencing where Whyt shows up and.
42:26
Kelly's underwear and, and the like halter top or whatever it was, the cutoff t-shirt.
42:31
And are you wearing women's underwear? Mm, Underpants, yeah. just the way he speaks.
42:37
I think the vast majority of my laugh out loud moments were Chet lines. And part of it is like nostalgia for I literally wrote in my
42:46
notes a couple of his insults. He says, but wa, he calls him butt wad.
42:51
He calls him Dick Weed and he calls him monkey dick. I just, I don't know why, because we don't say those like
42:59
we have different insults now. And it just, it brought back memories of the eighties and just his laugh.
43:05
the way he laughs everything about it. things too that John very John Hughey.
43:11
Can you guys think of another movie that John Hughes wrote where there's a character named Chet
43:18
Hmm. Cross reference. It's not coming to me.
43:24
the Great Outdoors, Okay. Okay. Yeah, Chet. I have seen it. Yeah.
43:29
Yep. And this is the first of two movies where bill Paxton has a brother named Wyatt.
43:35
What was the other one? Tombstone, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:42
W Earp. Makes sense. Yeah. I. I always liked, as a little kid, I always thought that the girls.
43:50
Deb and Hilly so cool and so pretty. They're very eighties, like their hair and their makeup and their outfits.
43:57
I just loved them. Neither of them are like super well known, but Deb is played by Suzanne Snyder.
44:04
The other things that she was in, she played another Debbie in Killer Clowns from Outspace. That's Chad's Jam.
44:10
That's his movie. I've never seen it. Did you recognize her? it. No, no.
44:16
But that is a movie that somehow gets so much mileage out of one clown joke. Like you would think it would get really old.
44:23
I'm gonna get this on the show one day. Russell's gonna suffer, but And it's clowns with a K, right?
44:29
it, yes, yes it is. Mm-hmm. One more K. And it's problematic, Yeah. Yep.
44:34
Yep. Don't do that. She was in fools, rushed in. I can't picture who she was in that return of the living Dead too and nothing else.
44:41
I really like. That's, that's about it. And Hilly is played by. Judy Aronson, and she was in three episodes of Beverly Hills N oh two one oh.
44:54
Friday the 13th, the final chapter, and American Ninja, saw a picture of her.
44:59
She looks really good now. Like she aged very well. The, the woman who played hilly.
45:05
I've seen all of these horror movie references, but I can't place them. Yeah, you know, somebody that's disposable body number three or
45:13
yeah, yeah. That's, yep. This is before Robert Downey Jr. Was Robert Downey Jr. But he plays
45:21
Ian, one of the cool, popular guys. I thought he did a great job in this.
45:26
What did you guys think of Robert in one of his early roles? he did, and he just looks the part, I don't know how old he was here, but
45:35
he always looks slightly older than Mm-hmm. this time period. He still has that charm.
45:41
I wish I had half of He is charming, isn't he? Like even when he's being a terrible human being, he's got that slick manner
45:49
of speaking and I, I was stunned that he had that energy as a teenager.
45:56
But yeah, I suspect he was in his twenties. I he and the guy who played Max Robert Wrestler,
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They both looked o considerably They are older Yeah, I didn't look, but I thought they were a great pair.
46:08
Their duo was really fun. Like it's that stereotypical cool, good looking guy.
46:14
They're too cool for school. They have the pretty girls, they're dickheads.
46:19
really good looking. I always thought growing up they were both incredibly good looking.
46:24
was a big fan of Max. Like I still watching this. I'm like, that, that man is
46:30
attractive. Right. that fair. Robert wrestler's the one that I thought made sense.
46:35
This I might not be a popular. Choice here, but if I, on our show we have a recast category if you were going to
46:41
recast somebody else and put somebody else in the place, Robert Downey Jr. Might be one of the people I, I considered because
46:48
Oh, think, I think Robert Downey Jr. At his heart and when you talk to him and stuff like that, is probably more
46:53
akin to play the goofy side of this. He's too old, he's five years older than Anthony, Michael Hall, I believe
47:00
So, to be in those positions, but I think where you want him in this movie is closer to, in the main two boys.
47:07
I didn't buy him as this jerk as much. I'd like somebody to be a little more physically imposing and, you know,
47:13
Hmm. I, I mean, I, I, I wanted, were different. That's how he was traumatized.
47:19
yeah. I thought Robert, Robert Wrestler as Max looked like he was 30. Like he looked like a straight up
47:24
adult man. You know? He's born in 65 and Anthony Michael Hall was born in 68 and
47:31
Okay. Lin mentioned Smith's 69. So there's not a huge, huge difference between them. They're just, there are some physical differences between these
47:38
human beings as there can be, but I just thought, I thought Robert Downey Jr. Seemed like the cool, new
47:45
wave kid who didn't care as much. And I think maybe having somebody
47:51
a little more jock I'm gonna throw the trash can and laugh at it with my football buddies might've been where my head was going with it.
47:57
a Letterman jacket. I thought. So that's just where. on the nose, man. I don't know. These two, I, you know, that's fair.
48:05
Russell, I think I just grew up, I literally started watching this movie when I was very young and I grew up with those two, so I can't
48:13
see anything else, but that's fair. Our bullies were bigger, or at least in our minds, like they were.
48:20
They were much taller. Now Robert Wrestler, you guys familiar with him?
48:27
Know who he is from anything? Yeah, same. He is super dreamy. I did look him up.
48:33
He was like a semi-professional surfer and skateboarder when he was young.
48:38
checks out. Yeah. So he, they moved to LA and he, began martial arts
48:44
Isn't he, and isn't he in one of your favorite franchises though, Chad? He's, he is in, he's a nightmare of El Street, right?
48:51
The the two. oh, was he, Mm-hmm. Which I know I, I saw Chad wins.
48:57
He doesn't like Nightmare On On Street too. I was being facetious. I, I, I do not, yeah, it it breaks all the rules.
49:04
it? Okay. Well, he did get the acting bug. I don't, I, he never became like super famous, but.
49:12
In addition to The Nightmare on Elm Street credits, one of my recent favorite
49:18
shows is Ray Donovan, and he was in three episodes of that as a character named Gus. And now I'm gonna have to go back and find out who the heck Gus was.
49:28
He also plays Tim Outside's TV series.
49:34
There's, I had no idea that was a Yeah. this weird science was actually his second, his only,
49:41
his second acting credit. The very first one was he was in two episodes of The Facts of Life.
49:48
Now I have to find out who he was in that too. So that's Robert Wrestler, you guys,
49:53
Alright. Still, is he still dreamy? Is he's. I didn't, I didn't look him up. But his IMDV photo, however recent that is, he looks pretty good to me.
50:02
So I don't know how recent that is. I mean, Robert Downey Jr. Is still stunningly handsome.
50:08
point. good point. I absolutely adored the scene when they go to talk to Gary's parents
50:17
oh, yes, Lisa. Yeah. Gary's dad, Hal is played by Britt Leach and he, do you guys know
50:24
what other John Hughes movie? He was in No, I'm failing at all these.
50:31
the Great Outdoors also I need to brush up on my cast list for the great outdoors.
50:36
You know, the Great Outdoors is not my favorite John Hughes movie. I liked it when I was a kid, but I don't feel like it ages as well as you grow up.
50:42
Like I feel like it's, it's really solid when you're young. It just doesn't have next level. Oh, no.
50:47
Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, we already covered the Great Outdoors on Retro Made. So yeah, we, we talked about some of these characters.
50:53
I did also see that this Brit Leach was in three episodes of three's company playing three different people each episode.
51:01
He was a different person. You know how they used to do that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. what do you guys think about that scene?
51:07
I, that's my favorite scene. I, I absolutely love this is the absurdist humor. At the highest point, Lisa pulls a gun, but before any of that happens,
51:18
the mom, I didn't write down her name, but she is just fantastic.
51:24
She, she's so nervous and she's so conservative and oh, my, and everything.
51:31
Gary's a good boy, and then Lisa's just, just deserves a party and Gary's
51:37
just shrinking into the couch, trying desperately to just stop existing and,
51:43
After she tells them that he tosses off in the bathroom and then the mom is oh, I never Gary,
51:48
I never Yeah. do. I'm telling you, Is that why we oh, have Gary, Yeah.
51:54
I never mom, Uhhuh. That was pretty funny. don't threaten me.
51:59
Ow you are outta shape. I love how she can just wipe his memory like Min black style and
52:05
then like he can't remember later. And that's a great reoccurring joke of I don't know who you're talking about.
52:12
Even in the like, final scene, even in the final scene after they're taking the girls home and the, what was Gary
52:19
Driving? The red Ferrari. Yeah. in the car and she's like, well look, that's scary.
52:24
Who's this Gary character? I love it. The great gag throughout the
52:29
He got so fed up with, he was like, I don't know. No, no. And I want you to shut that up.
52:39
They looked like they were like 65, like were, did parents look like that in the eighties?
52:46
I don't like it, my mom has somehow gotten younger Mm-hmm. as she's gotten older, get out of those eighties big hairstyles and
52:54
the perms and everything else. And once she, they start letting their hair down. Okay.
52:59
Alright. Now we can have, there's been internet memes all over the place. If this is what somebody looked like in their fifties in 1980,
53:07
Mm-hmm. to me more. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Have you guys seen the one of Alice from the Brady Bunch?
53:16
They just put a different hairstyle on her and she looks massively different. Wow. I think it's the hair.
53:22
it is. Well, yeah. now we're gonna talk about a couple of the bikers.
53:28
I mean this movie's just Wild, Lisa, to try and help these guys gain confidence,
53:33
conjures up these mutant bikers to come so that they can be brave and
53:38
kind of bring that out in these two. I don't think they ever said his name, but the credit is Lord
53:46
General, the biker gang leader. He's played by Vernon Wells, so he's the bald guy that has the gun and the chained
53:55
to him by the neck, like a woman that is somehow like a slave or something.
54:00
Mm-hmm. I mean, this scene is just wild. But I am very unfamiliar
54:06
with the road warrior, like Oh, Max. Yeah. I've only seen the first one actually, but there's this channeling Mad Max.
54:13
A hundred percent. Mm-hmm. I guess, well, he was in that, he basically plays the same character.
54:19
Apparently he wears the same makeup mohawk mesh tank top studded leather.
54:25
He's Australian, obviously. 'cause of the way, you can't even take a shower with a lady wearing y'all jeans.
54:34
I just loved it. It was funny. But he was also in commando and he has over 250 acting credits.
54:42
This Vernon Wells? I Berryman's, the one that stands out to me. The,
54:48
the, gonna the bald head franchise. Yeah, it's, so, the, the mutant biker, the, there's something I
54:54
forget the name of it, but there's a condition that he has that makes him Michael Berryman, the actor.
55:00
Look, look that way. The bald biker that refers to his teaching career as he's leaving. So how do you guys know him?
55:06
Hills Have Eyes is the one, yeah, that's the one that I know him from. Seventies. Seventies Hills. Eye of Eyes.
55:11
So that's a good bit before this. He has that face that. You don't forget it. So you'll know him right again, but to hear him speak was pretty funny, to have
55:20
that disarming if you could just not tell anybody about this, I'd appreciate that. I, I hate for it to get in the way of my teaching job.
55:26
I mean, that, that was the best laugh of the mutant stuff. And again, this movie is absurdist that movie.
55:33
There's other times in other movies where that's too much and you've gone too far. But because this is the movie, you've already thrown a nuclear
55:40
missile going up through the house. We've created a woman with brass on her head you can go downtown to
55:45
an all, African American drinking establishment and yeah, sure. Let's throw mutant bikers in there too.
55:52
It doesn't, it's, it's not a challenge in the reality. Candy Bar is a great name for a bar too.
55:58
I enjoyed that. is. Just to tie the tie up, Michael Berryman, he, I, again, I don't
56:06
think I've seen one, flew over to the Cuckoo's Nest, but he's in that too. Oh, that's a great movie. Do you guys remember who he is in that?
56:12
Gosh, we covered that a long time ago. It was in our first season. In fact, Chad, I don't, just, I don't remember him being an important role, so
56:20
he is probably just one of the background yeah, patients. yeah, I did find the condition.
56:26
So he has over 114 acting credits, which is wild. Because he, he looks very specific and it's a rare
56:32
condition called hypo hydrotic, epidermal dysplasia,
56:38
glad you said it. Not me. yeah. We'll see if anybody is aware of this, if I pronounced it correctly, no sweat,
56:45
clans, hair, fingernails, or teeth. That's what, yeah. Interesting.
56:51
the Mm-hmm. Yeah. Didn't know about the teeth. But yeah. Do you, did you guys recognize the guy from the candy bar?
56:57
The white man from the candy bar, Dino, had the hat on.
57:02
No. he's also from John Hughes movies. Two of them.
57:09
John Hughes definitely goes back to his people. Yeah. I mean, John Hughes, definitely. we should say the Great Outdoors, Yeah. He's like, he's like the, he's like the Judd
57:16
Aal before his time. He gets his people and he keeps coming back to them over and over and over again. And what?
57:21
Yes. the actor's name is John Capos. Okay. Is that helping you at all? He played Carl the janitor in the
57:29
Breakfast Club. Breakfast Club, it's very different. Yes.
57:34
And also in 16 candles. He plays the sister's husband, like she's getting married.
57:40
That's who she, that's who he is. Yeah. Yeah, so we have IRA Newborn here.
57:46
He did the music, but he's done a ton of John Hughes movies. Like they collaborate often together, 16 Candles, Ferris Bueller, plane
57:54
trains, automobiles, uncle Buck, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But to your point, Russell, that main theme song is done by Pop Groupo Boingo.
58:02
Right. Which was Mm-hmm. I really liked It it.
58:08
Danny Elman say it was the worst thing he's ever done? he did. But I mean, it's, it's not that it's okay.
58:13
So if you just said, here, listen to this song, you do not put it in your ears and say, this is part of the all time best 1985 soundtrack,
58:21
but it's attached to this movie and it's the right thing for this movie. This movie is absurd.
58:27
You must have an absurd piece of music. So, I mean, I. If you were to say what movie, what song didn't get
58:34
in here from the eighties, and I don't know if it had been made yet, blinded me with science would've been a fun thing to have gotten in here.
58:39
Um, Call. Yeah. also pretty absurd, but you know, we're having fun with it.
58:45
Yeah, good call. So this movie was successful. It had a budget of $7.5 million and it made 38.9 at the box office.
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So that's pretty good, I would say. I love that comedies do well in the eighties. It makes me really happy. It's comedies are my favorite genre and they're not being pushed hard right now.
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No, it's hard to come by. I agree. Can you guys think of other memorable lines from this movie?
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of 'em. There are so many great lines in this one. I, like I mentioned, like I'm gonna tell mom and dad everything.
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I'm even thinking about making some stuff up. I I, I definitely like that. You know, the so what do you little maniacs want to do?
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First is of my like, That's just what, if you say weird science, I think of her saying that.
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So, so what would your little maniacs like to do first? Yeah, love it.
59:38
I just appreciated the fourth wall break when Ooh, good call. think it was Chet that says, the next thing you know, you'll be
59:44
wearing a bra on your head and why? It just looks so. They do. Look at the, even at the end, I liked the you know, this, this is gonna
59:53
spoil the movie in case you guys haven't seen it this whole 40 years. But at the end, we panned to a gym teacher.
1:00:03
We don't see who it is yet, but we pan up this super, super eighties cool outfit,
1:00:08
there's a, the gym teacher's twirling the whistle and, oh, look, it's Lisa,
1:00:14
and she looks at the camera and winks. Mm-hmm. Fantastic. Mm-hmm.
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Great advantage, by the way. Great. What? Finish Yeah, agreed.
1:00:26
But getting back to the favorite lines I liked Chet's insults and I liked,
1:00:31
like after Chet turns into that. Weird mom. What was he supposed to be by,
1:00:37
like a frog, like a really ugly frog, like a. some kind of job of the hut Jo.
1:00:43
Yeah. Weird, weird creature that Chet was. When Gary and Wyatt come back and see him that way, Wyatt's like,
1:00:51
you gotta, you, we can't have this. It had ruined Christmas. That is good.
1:00:56
it was funny. You brought up one of my other favorites with the don't you think of how incredibly sad your son's only sexual outlet is tossing off to magazines in the bathroom.
1:01:05
Oh, Gary Gary Ma. I never toss it off to anything.
1:01:13
and then she's like, we're going to a party. A movie A movie party. You know, your standard, how, how she says it like in such quick
1:01:21
succession, like chips, dips, whips. Change, you know, like just a, you know, a couple hundred teenagers
1:01:28
having an orgy or something like that. And then they're like, oh my God,
1:01:33
I like the a joint. I think even on the couch too. something like that.
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It. I, I like the. line for me with Gary, like Wyatt's to bring them back.
1:01:45
And Gary says, why are you messing with the fantasy? we That is good. about the reality. I like,
1:01:50
Mm-hmm. like his grandma, Carmen being in the restaurant, it's like, let's go in and check on Wyatt because if there's anything a teenage boy
1:01:59
has about most, it's his grandparents. And I just thought that thought.
1:02:05
So many, I thought it was actually pretty sweet towards the end too, when the boys get the girls and Gary is having to kind of,
1:02:17
Tell Deb, no, I really like you. 'cause she's like, but Lisa look at her. And he's like, yeah, yeah.
1:02:23
Lisa's everything I wanted in a girl before I knew what I wanted.
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If I could do it again, I'd make her like you. And I thought that was sweet. that it's true, like very typical.
1:02:36
Like they created what a typical teenage boy dreams about, but in reality,
1:02:41
they actually want somebody more like them, like more realistic, like Deb
1:02:46
know, not the perfect looking woman. Yeah, they're, they're feeding everything into, I, it wasn't
1:02:54
even a scanner, it was like a fax Yeah. Yeah. feeding in all these magazine clippings, the picture of Albert Einstein.
1:03:02
'cause nobody else is smart, I guess they dial up the all the
1:03:07
intelligence and everything. That was an interesting way of doing it. I was, I was telling Katie before I came on the show,
1:03:14
was accustomed to the TV show. Like I got to that before. So the theme song stuck in my head.
1:03:19
That was what they opened the TV show. It was the same theme song, Chad. Mm-hmm. Oh, I see.
1:03:25
I never saw the TV show. I did like that there was another imaginary Canadian girlfriend
1:03:31
that Anthony Michael Hall has. So he had one in breakfast club. He has one here. Yeah.
1:03:37
about your girl up in Canada? And then he talks about her she kicked me in the nuts man.
1:03:42
At the, the bar in Chicago. Yes. Yeah. And all the people are in the jewels or
1:03:49
Yeah. Yeah. They're like Yeah. really buying into this story.
1:03:55
So Lisa was made from a Barbie doll drives a pink convertible just like Barbie.
1:04:00
You mentioned how they were kind of guiding you to be with somebody that was more like you
1:04:07
you know, she was mentoring them to be with the girls their age. I remember when I was watching this first, I was still, you know, I don't
1:04:14
know, I, I was 16 or something when I saw this, and I actually did as, as a kid. It's funny you keep talking about like Kelly Lerock being like the,
1:04:22
you know, I thought, I thought Deb was like, kind of was, I was Mm-hmm. eh, I think she's cute.
1:04:27
So you know, when I first saw it I remember being kind of smitten with the two girls that they were setting them up with, know.
1:04:35
Just, that's whatever wavelength I was on at the time. Which makes sense. When you're a kid, you're probably not attracted to an adult yet.
1:04:43
You know what I mean? Because Kelly was like a, you know what I mean? 15-year-old boys, that's yeah. I mean, at the same time, I just,
1:04:49
oh, I thought you were saying when you were like 10 or whatever, watching this as opposed to it when I was 16, but yeah, like
1:04:56
Oh, okay. I, I was probably in high school by the time I took this one in, but I remember thinking.
1:05:02
I liked them at the time, and Kelly Brock was one of those things. It's so eighties, it had changed a little bit.
1:05:08
had to go away from it and come back to it because when I was in high school, the eighties seemed pretty, pretty removed at that.
1:05:16
I mean, like it, she's very eighties and I think Mm-hmm. wardrobes. So like she's extremely cool for the time.
1:05:24
And then Oh, particularly with the wardrobe, her outfits were amazing.
1:05:31
Yeah, eighties, like for the eighties, they were really awesome. so when I probably took that in, probably give or take around maybe the year or 2000
1:05:39
or something like that, you know, that that was like super dated at that point.
1:05:45
So, I guess I would argue that her, her actual looks she had big hair and stuff, but her makeup was very classic.
1:05:52
Whereas Deb and Hilly had really eighties makeup. Like I thought they, and their outfits were really like, and their hair.
1:05:59
I thought Deb and Hilly looked more dated. But I see your point. I see your point.
1:06:04
I was just about to ask you guys about the gymnastics in this. There have been several eighties movies in high school where they
1:06:12
showcase a gymnastics team or doing gymnastics in gym class. That was certainly never a thing at my high school.
1:06:20
Was that a thing where you guys grew up? I don't. I assume it's regional, but gymnastics.
1:06:26
baseline like we didn't have anything fancy at gym time, so. see.
1:06:31
It was for us, uh uh, Mary Lou Rutten is from West Virginia, so there was a big push of Mary Lou Rutten's fitness and a big push of gymnastics.
1:06:42
So yeah, that's, that stuck with me. Now, we didn't have any of the nice equipment. We didn't have poel horses or gymnastics teams or anything, but there was a
1:06:51
fitness challenge and it was like a. West Virginia pride type thing. So
1:06:56
Well, that makes sense if she's from there. But I don't know, like in Footloose, he joins the gymnastics team.
1:07:02
There's a team that competes like, just like football and basketball. There's a gymnastics team in a lot of these eighties movies.
1:07:09
And I'm like, I don't know, man. Is that just in movies? didn't, never didn't have a bring it on.
1:07:15
I don't think. I don't know. I just, I don't remember it being. No, our high school definitely didn't, but other things have blown up too.
1:07:23
Like lacrosse is everywhere and we didn't have lacrosse. Yeah. Saying, yeah, that's a good point.
1:07:29
Good point. So you think it might've just been like a time, like a could eighties thing? it could be trends or something
1:07:35
Yeah. I don't know, The Hughes universe takes place in Chicago where there's way more
1:07:40
Yep. and way more funds in their schools than Chad and I grew up in West Virginia and
1:07:45
our school graduating class was probably somewhere around, I dunno how big 222.
1:07:51
Chad. So it's a very small high school and we didn't even have a ninth grade in our high school most of the time that we were there. So, I mean,
1:07:57
oh wow. didn't we, we did not have. way he phrased that is just like, we had no ninth grade now that we had a
1:08:04
junior high and then a high school. It just, it was a different order than middle school and high Okay.
1:08:10
Yep. Russell just, we just didn't have a ninth grade. It was West Virginia. I was like, oh.
1:08:15
So you go from eighth to 10. That's so sweet. we can't count. yeah, the high school No offense, but West Virginians are not, not known for their high IQs.
1:08:24
we are not we Not you guys. Not you guys. I just, I'm teasing, teasing. Because you know, there's a joke, there's jokes about West
1:08:31
Virginia, Hey, I'm from Nebraska. We're not much better, but like. is my wife's family. Yeah. Tailing the number 46 of 50 state, you know, I assume like
1:08:40
in in education or whatnot. Yeah. motto was, thank God for Mississippi.
1:08:45
Yeah. That's funny. Yeah, that sounds about right. Also, super eighties is VCRs as bribery payments.
1:08:55
Oh yes. Jets. What's it gonna cost me? Your VCR ought to do it, ought to cover it, or something like that.
1:09:02
like three, $400 and 1980s money too. Like I can't imagine how expensive that was.
1:09:09
Mm-hmm. they get up to dealing with 4 0 1 Ks at some point. So, all of you're in your retirement funds, one thing that didn't make me think twice when I was a kid, but watching it
1:09:18
yesterday, the deal that Max and Ian tried to make, it's like, you give us a crack at
1:09:25
Lisa and we'll let you have Deb and Hilly.
1:09:31
That's wild. that's gross. Yeah, I know just gross all over them
1:09:36
who traded girlfriends in a very, you know, it, no. Yeah.
1:09:43
Oh, even in the two thousands. Oh. just two I, I don't think it was, your I. better.
1:09:48
Why don't we trade? Without it just, and it it, it ended up happening. They ended up dating each other's girlfriends or something like that.
1:09:54
I didn't have a girlfriend at the time. I was closer to Gary and Wyatt in this movie.
1:10:00
So, I was sitting there going you guys are not being nice. But I mean at, at worst, like they, with Lisa referring to herself as a
1:10:10
sexpot or whatever, like that's not, that's just gross in any nature.
1:10:16
You have all these you find inflatable dolls and stuff like that in the woods, and occasionally you'll see pictures of that.
1:10:23
Nobody's, nobody's reusing that. Oh God. No. That's so,
1:10:29
Oh a, God. a creepy thought. It girlfriends too. It's like, we'll let you have our girlfriends. No, Ask them.
1:10:36
thought it was one of those well, things where nobody questions it. There are two yeah, a, maybe.
1:10:41
older girl and minus Gary's parents seeming to have a real issue with it. For the most part, there's not a lot of wait.
1:10:47
You're both sharing one girlfriend. How's that work? Nobody, nobody even stops to think
1:10:53
Good it. Like it, point. So you guys are with Lisa, then it's like, yep. And there's just, it's one of those things where it's just one of those,
1:10:59
there's so much hand waving going on. You can really get away with an enormous amount of stuff of like little
1:11:05
potholes and, and things in this. I guess. I'm not saying that John Hughes wrote.
1:11:11
into it, but it's, it's really forgiving for those certain things. 'cause the more absurd it is, kind of the more it works.
1:11:19
Yeah, I, and thank God for that because oddly enough, a lot of the stuff like you said, because of the absurd nature of it, because of this, because Lisa's
1:11:27
kind of the Mary Poppins figure. Like it's not gross. Somehow even though they're like, well, Gary and Wyatt share her, but then Max
1:11:36
and Ian would like to also share her and then per eighties, usual. Just as soon as the parents are about to walk in the door, the house magically
1:11:45
comes back together in the nick of time. It's, so that's an eighties trope, but I always love seeing it.
1:11:52
Stuff sliding into place just as the door opens like that that dresser or whatever Mm-hmm.
1:11:57
end table. Mm-hmm. back in the chimney, the piano going back together and yeah.
1:12:03
Yeah. Like they're outside and they're not noticing the patio furniture come back in do you guys have any additional thoughts from the
1:12:09
interview that you shared, Russell? It was probably like 40 minutes. It was the 2019 Awesome con, and it was a reunion interview
1:12:16
of our three main characters. Thank you for sharing that, by the way. These things are always fun, and I think this one in particular is fun.
1:12:24
We don't have John Hughes anymore, so we don't get to hear him talk about it. And so this is how the movie will live on to hear from them.
1:12:31
they were so young and movie industry are not always so kind to younger actors.
1:12:38
Sometimes they end up being forced to grow up too soon or they're not. They're put into situations that they shouldn't.
1:12:44
I mean, you can look at all the tough, You know, teen acting experiences,
1:12:49
whether it be Corey Feldman or other people who sometimes they get into stuff they shouldn't and it's not a good world to really grow up in.
1:12:56
John was a pretty awesome dude. He, he, Mm-hmm.
1:13:01
them to concerts, he cared about them, their careers. He was a, of a big brother of sorts.
1:13:07
He's not old enough to necessarily be their dad. but there Mm-hmm. a, a big brother mentality.
1:13:14
Now, and I don't mean like a che big brother, I mean a cool big brother. you know, somebody who,
1:13:19
Yeah. about them, he wanted them to succeed. He went back to Anthony, Michael Hall more than once.
1:13:24
Anthony Michael Hall wanted to break out of that teen geek role, which was detrimental to his career. And he should not have done, he should have rode that train as long and hard
1:13:31
as he could have because his Saturday night life career was short and it doesn't go great for him after that.
1:13:37
But John took care of his people and was tight with them. He was really hurt when Anthony Michael Hall didn't want to continue
1:13:43
working with him in the future. Yeah. took things deeply personally, so he made friends with these people even
1:13:49
though they were younger than him. And I don't mean that in a creepy I mean, he really was an advocate for them.
1:13:55
So, what I would say is it's cool to see how much he touched those
1:14:00
around him and was really, you know, a good leader for the film industry.
1:14:07
Cool to see what a good dude he was and a leader for the film industry. I think at one point they mentioned you went on to work on other films, maybe
1:14:14
you got a look at what it should have been like or that, what it could be like. And they did.
1:14:19
They all agreed that, you know, the way John as a director ran his movie, his set, his cast, his crew
1:14:27
Mm-hmm. to a high standard and that was something that everybody who was there enjoyed their time. And that's not always the case.
1:14:34
So, when people like that who have an amazing gift, but they also touch people beyond the screen.
1:14:41
John, he's a special dude, so I know that you've dedicated a whole season to him. It helps an awful lot when the people who worked with him.
1:14:48
Their careers are made by them. They appreciate them. I kind of made the parallel to like Judd Apatow, Judd Judd's, kind
1:14:55
Mm-hmm. He built these people's careers up and he comes back to them again and again and appreciates them and cares about their success.
1:15:02
And there's something really special about how they as a group did that, and John did that for his group too, whether it be Anthony, Michael Hall,
1:15:10
Molly Ringwald, or you know, just all Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, those two in particular were his muses and I think that
1:15:18
there was a falling out after. So what about you, Chad? Was there anything that you took away in particular from the reunion interview?
1:15:26
I felt a little bad because the interviewer starts off on kind of a bad note Yeah.
1:15:31
Hall responds. He has this visceral response 'cause she just frames it as this is creepy.
1:15:36
And explain yourselves and. talks about it and he talks about the environment and yeah, how you
1:15:43
probably can't do it now, but that there was no like creepy feeling on the set at a different time.
1:15:51
He does talk about the shower scene and he, he just talks about how they couldn't stop giggling.
1:15:56
Like they were just laughing and having fun and Kelly Le Rock's yeah, I was there in pasties and it was awkward 'cause we couldn't get them
1:16:03
to stop until put on aside and was like, Hey, we gotta, we gotta move on.
1:16:09
But mentioned it earlier and just everyone seemed to have fond memories. There wasn't anyone complaining about hellish days.
1:16:16
There wasn't anyone complaining about getting. Screamed at or berated. The closest thing to it was Robert Downey Jr. And max,
1:16:26
Mm-hmm. of them famously used the bathroom in a trailer.
1:16:31
And so John Hughes pulled the cast over and go, goes one by one
1:16:36
and says, was it you, was it you? And Robert Downey Jr. Says, I wish it was me. And so, they, they got a talking to, but even Robert Downey Jr. After that
1:16:45
incident said, Hey, we got along. We, we had a good relationship. So, there was, there was a sense of professionalism and fun,
1:16:55
Mm-hmm. all the stories, Kelly, Kelly Lerock just seemed to have a great time and
1:17:00
just have a fondness for the two boys. really well by the She does well.
1:17:05
Some she's gone through, she looked really good in that. That was 2019.
1:17:11
And but she's had a fair amount of work done. I, I can tell. And you can definitely, 'cause she had the most gorgeous lips naturally.
1:17:19
And now she's. She has had some nip tucking, but also, I can't stand it when women
1:17:25
put those fillers in their lips 'cause it's such a fake look. But she does, she looks like I hate to
1:17:30
Boom. 'cause I did whatever. She does look lovely. in it. So that doesn't, Yes. She's like, I don't look too bad for her grandma.
1:17:37
Correct. did get a little heavy at one point because there was a show like Celebrity
1:17:43
Big Loser or something like that. There was like a show that she was on. know that. She got, you know, as happens, but I thought she looked
1:17:50
really lovely in that too. I think the one thing that I thought was really, well there were a lot of great stories but I think Island shared that the, there was a scene
1:18:00
when they were in the blue kitchen. And it wasn't a particularly funny, like they were just trying to do the scene and
1:18:05
John Hughes reaches over and grabs one of the blue potato chips, 'cause everything in the kitchen was blue and ate it
1:18:12
and they were like, John, that's like a spray painted chip. And he's like, anything for a laugh.
1:18:17
Pointing to the fact that John Hughes was you know, he wanted to find humor in everything. Mm-hmm.
1:18:25
think Michael Halls, I think, n wonderfully. I think somebody at one point called him a comedic genius.
1:18:30
He goes, I'm an out of work actor. So, Yeah. know, I think he know,
1:18:35
Yeah. He jokes about like a, like an awkward phase on film, but he is like, Hey, the checks are good or the checks keep coming.
1:18:41
Or something like, Yeah, yeah. he, Mm-hmm. he knows that he steered his career in a way or didn't make that
1:18:48
from young actor to adult actor. So many haven't. You know, I think he has a good, healthy attitude about it.
1:18:55
He can laugh at himself. He seems like he's, Yep. not famous anymore. He, you could walk down the street and not know it's him,
1:19:02
but he seems healthy about it. Like he doesn't seem bitter or stuck in the past or anything like that.
1:19:07
He can Mm-hmm. So he's still, he is still funny. He is. Yeah. I, I thought that there's both praise, quote unquote, and a fair amount of
1:19:17
criticism from critics for this movie. I don't know if you caught any of the response.
1:19:23
between Cisco and Ebert Yes. was it was it Ebert that, liked it.
1:19:28
Cisco didn't. yeah. Roger, Roger Eber gave it three outta four stars called Lerock.
1:19:35
Wonderful in her role. Thought that as a result the film was funnier and a little deeper
1:19:41
than the predictable story it might have been without Kelly Gene. Cisco gave it a one and a half stars out of four and wrote what
1:19:50
a disappointment weird science is. A wonderful writer director has taken a cute idea about two teenage
1:19:57
Dr. Frankenstein, creating a perfect woman by computer and turned it into a vulgar, mindless, special effects cluttered wasteland.
1:20:05
I vastly disagree. Genes the skull? Yeah. think, I don't think it was vulgar at all.
1:20:13
Well, Ebert even pulled him aside at one point and basically said, chill out. Like Oh, really?
1:20:19
Yeah. Yeah. you are sounding so stuffy right now, and so Sheila.
1:20:24
that was a good take. Sheila Benson of the LA Times described again, lerock as triumphant and the
1:20:31
film's greatest asset, but thought that the film's appeal was limited to audience of 15-year-old boys and maybe the 16 year olds if they aren't yet too fussy.
1:20:42
Yeah, that's, that's a weird comment. Kelly, Kelly, Le Barack is beautiful in any age demographic, and obviously you
1:20:51
said it's one of your favorite movies. I, yeah, I, that's why I disagree. I mean, I'm not a 15-year-old boy, and I've always loved this movie.
1:20:57
Rita Kemp of the Washington Post wrote unbelievably, John Hughes, the maker of 16 candles in the Breakfast Club, writes and directs this snickering
1:21:06
sorted special effects fantasy with Kelly Lerock in a demeaning role as
1:21:12
love slave to a pair of 15 year olds. I think they miss the point of the movie.
1:21:18
I don't know. I am, I, I guess it's hard for me to be unbiased because I do have such.
1:21:24
I really, really, really, and maybe it's nostalgia, but I think this movie is
1:21:30
really well done and good in all of the ways that you want a movie like this to be
1:21:36
I can see where they'd missed that train though. It's, it's easy to miss and it's easy to go down that lane, and part
1:21:43
of me was thinking, oh no, we're doing this and I haven't seen it in okay. Is this going to be the territory it lands on of just pure male fantasy?
1:21:54
And obviously that's part of the, the point of this movie, but like most things
1:21:59
John Hughes does, there's a greater point and it's restoring the confidence. And I love that.
1:22:06
Most of the reviews, even the negative ones, are saying Kelly Le Brock is great.
1:22:11
Like she is. Russell said Anthony, Michael Halls Gary is the. linchpin in this movie.
1:22:16
She's my MVP. I think it falls apart without her I agree, Chad, she got ul teary eyed at the end.
1:22:24
I don't know. I, I really thought she was wonderful in this, and it's kind of sad. I think her marrying what's his face kind of ruined her career.
1:22:32
Steven know. I can see that. Yeah. Ugh. Yeah. isn't Chad, you said that you watched the, oh, go ahead.
1:22:39
age either. So you know, your time and your time in the spotlight is often short when.
1:22:46
You're V for being a Very good point. so Yeah,
1:22:51
Yeah. She was only 24. Yeah. The, the actress. Yeah.
1:22:57
So the, the, bet. there was a TV series that Chad saw based on this film.
1:23:02
It ran for 88 episodes. I did not realize from 94 to 98,
1:23:08
It did, it, it's a little different. It was almost like an I dream of genie style where I can't remember the
1:23:16
girl's name, but she granted wishes, Hmm. Vanessa Angel. Yeah. She, she granted fantasies and things like that, but they
1:23:24
would have convenient durations. They would wear off, and so her powers like would grow or shrink,
1:23:31
depending on whatever the episode was. But it was usually almost like a monkey's paw type wish
1:23:37
okay. the boys would wish for something, she'd give it to them and you
1:23:42
know, hi, jinx ensue, but. Hmm. Okay. that was my first I guess, encounter with weird science.
1:23:48
And so I had that theme song though, and go Bono theme song, stuck in my head and then got to this one.
1:23:55
It's like, oh, it was based off of This movie, Yeah. that's an interesting, yeah, that's an interesting, I, I kind of don't
1:24:02
wanna watch the TV series, but it's interesting that you saw that first. It's cute. It's, Okay.
1:24:08
just to keep the when you fall in love with certain characters and stuff like that, the TV to movie transition often doesn't work for me.
1:24:15
You know, there's a Fugitive TV show and apparently it was really successful. I just don't wanna go back and see it 'cause Harrison Ford's my fugitive.
1:24:20
It's just like when you find these Yeah. and stuff like that, I don't really want that other version so much.
1:24:26
There's an odd couple TV show I, I was told it was good. I just never wanted to go back and do it again because I really like Walter Math,
1:24:33
Allen Jack Lemon, and no matter how good Yeah, doing it, those are not the characters that you have watched do it.
1:24:39
Count Counterpoint, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, like the, the TV series is
1:24:44
infinitely better than the movie. I have heard that, Chad. I have not seen Buffy the TV series, but I gotta tell you, I loved
1:24:53
gonna say the Christie Swanson movie. it's it. It is very fun. But Sarah
1:24:58
Yeah, is just, she's my Buffy. Okay. I think that, Hey, so you know, we were talking about the very eighties
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fashion, the jacket that Kelly Lerock wore in that mall scene. You know, she has the tube top on with the long denim skirt.
1:25:15
It was sold to Dina Collection, a pawn shop in Beverly Hills for $25,000.
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it's the best $25,000 not too bad. spent. I Yeah,
1:25:31
guilty. bill Paxton ad-libbed a line that he got from his dad when he says, how
1:25:36
about a nice greasy pork sandwich? Served in a dirty ash tray.
1:25:42
That was something that his dad used to say to him when he was hungover from a night of drinking. I thought that was hilarious.
1:25:49
thing to say to someone. We talked about Saturday Night Live. Anthony Michael Hall did not stay for an entire season and neither did fellow
1:25:58
Weird Science CoStar, Robert Downey Jr. They were on the same season and neither of 'em lasted the whole season.
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get a lot of clips from the eighties on that cast, but. I wanna say it's hard to, I can, they didn't get long enough to,
1:26:12
to find their feet on the show. They, they seem awkward in the things that I have seen from them on
1:26:19
there, so maybe it would've worked out had they'd stayed longer, but it wasn't a natural fit, I don't think.
1:26:25
It was a weird time Mm-hmm. Lauren Michaels, It was, yeah, I was,
1:26:30
yet. Oh, there was a cut scene and I'm really glad they cut it 'cause I don't like this. I don't know if you guys heard this, but.
1:26:37
In the final cut of the film, max and Ian are last seen fleeing the party when the bikers invade.
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A follow-up scene was shot in which multicolored clouds engulf them and they transform into a pig and a donkey.
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They then bend over to see their reflections in hubcaps of a car and their tails ripped through the seats of their pants
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That is Yeah, stuff like yeah.
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Glad glad they, they removed that. Yeah, trying to thank you guys.
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I think this actually, does and it doesn't hold up. I, I'm actually kind of in the camp that it holds up in the way
1:27:19
that we should view this 1985 film. But I do find it a super fascinating time capsule of 1985, equal
1:27:27
parts bonkers and brilliant. You guys, Russell, Chad, I always have such fun podcasting with you guys and
1:27:34
talking movies, especially retro movies. Do you have any final thoughts about this movie?
1:27:40
And then tell us maybe what we can look forward to on your show or tell us where we can find you.
1:27:46
Ted, you wanna go first? I think it'd be. I think I would be fascinated just for somebody that didn't
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grow up in the eighties, like you show a Gen Z person whatever.
1:27:57
The generation after them, is it, are we back to Alpha or whatever it is, show them this movie and see what it does.
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Does the comedy still hold up or we just to forgive some of the things
1:28:10
'cause we're, we're starting to see generative AI doing some of the things that this movie has insinuated
1:28:19
Mm-hmm. it's creating interesting legal areas. And with the rise of chat GPT, I think it's kind of circling
1:28:27
around to ethics and relevance. And I'd be fascinated to see somebody that hasn't lived through the
1:28:34
eighties just comment on this and say, Hey, we watch weird science.
1:28:40
It held up for me. I can see the similarities. Or they just say, you know, this is sexist garbage and we're,
1:28:45
we're done with a male fantasy. We don't want this at all. I, I hope it's not the latter.
1:28:51
I, I think especially for Kelly Littlerock being able to teach these boys respect
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for themselves and also how to respect the two girls they're trying to impress,
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like they're, they're never going down that road of the bullying road that Robert Downey and max are going through.
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So I, I think it holds up. I, I understand. I think I might be in the both lanes with you, Katie, of I could see
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where somebody might not, but I hope somebody would still enjoy this movie,
1:29:23
even if they say, this is on the lesser end of John Hughes catalog. It's not as great as the breakfast clubs and it's not as great as 16 candles
1:29:32
or, or anything else that he's done. So you're saying it's no baby's day out, Chad.
1:29:38
We're going to get that on the podcast one day. That is my, my grandfather took me to that movie when I was very, very young.
1:29:46
I, I had no concept of John Hughes Well, maybe you should come back and cover it with me, Chad, because
1:29:52
we're covering it on Retro Made. It's John Hughes movie. my, my grandfather clung to the line.
1:29:58
He was like, you thumb sucking milk drinking puker, or something like that.
1:30:03
And he would just quote it over and over. He was just tickled to death with that. So that's a very fond memory for me of a terrible movie.
1:30:11
But, but yeah, I would love to cover Baby Us and Dustin, who's another one of our hosts, Dustin, has often joked of getting Baby's Day out
1:30:20
on the, if Russell won't allow it, Okay. we will happily talk about it with you.
1:30:26
Well, I think this movie is one of those things where if you're gonna.
1:30:31
Poke holes at it and just say the male fantasy is not something we want anymore. There are gonna be people who can't get around it and just
1:30:37
say, it is, sex is garbage. But I think that would be shortsighted because there, I think it does
1:30:43
hold up pretty well because of everything we've talked about. growth in the characters, the performances are funny.
1:30:49
There's things that, whether it's taking underage kids out, drinking and then driving while drunk that you wouldn't do to today.
1:30:56
Maybe you know some of the humor of Anthony Michael Hall's diction. Is funny in his performance.
1:31:03
Now people would say that that's offensive and things like that, so you're gonna have to shift this a few degrees if you were ever to remake this.
1:31:09
Having said that, I still think it is funny. I think if you showed it to people, I think a lot of the times people will
1:31:16
watch something now that you couldn't quote unquote, you could never make this today, and everybody sits there and still has a really fun time watching it.
1:31:25
so I think that's what I would say is culturally, what does that mean for us?
1:31:31
We've, when we say we won't make something that we're, we will sit there and watch it was made 20 years ago and then laugh at it and enjoy it.
1:31:37
So I think comedy is at an interesting point in time too. So this is a long way of saying, I think for some it might not hold up,
1:31:45
but in terms of it is still really good and I'm closer to Ebert on this one. Ebert probably has a big soft spot.
1:31:51
In his heart because it's a Chicago Hughes is a Chicago dude. He goes to bat for Chicago.
1:31:56
Ebert's a Chicago dude, that's your local boy. The, this isn't an LA guy. And so is 100% probably just being biased and supporting his, you
1:32:06
know, windy city, you know, creator. And that's okay. Because I also like Chicago and I like John Hughes, and I'm
1:32:13
willing to root for the body of work and this is included in it. So yeah, I think long. I think weird science holds up refreshingly Well, I was scared to come
1:32:20
back to it because I was sitting there going like, I'm 40, you know, when you're a teenager, this is really exciting.
1:32:26
You know, fast cars driving at the mall, getting girls and all this stuff, and were remarkably simple.
1:32:32
But you know what? I think it did hold up as a 40-year-old here i'm glad to hear that. Yeah, both.
1:32:37
Very well said you guys and retro made listeners I think you should go check
1:32:43
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1:32:49
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1:32:55
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1:33:01
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1:33:08
So, let us know if there's a movie we haven't covered out of the 300 some. And if you wanna talk about it, great.
1:33:15
We'd love to meet you. Awesome. And. I'll be joining them soon so you better, you know, get the fuel for, for their
1:33:25
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1:33:33
Hughes movies that we'll be covering questions or, , maybe you have your own lightning powered experiments to share like weird science, drop me a line.
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Otherwise, I will see you next time, hopefully with fewer bras on heads.
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And until next time, be kind, rewind.