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that's right you press play on all the right moves a limited series from the director's chair
network about the filmography of Edgar Wright I'm your host trucker Andy and with me this week
is our resident drinking expert Hughesy Hughesy welcome to the show darn in one or don't even
attempt it hello yes and uh yeah I wanted this show to be taken seriously so I insisted on inviting a
puppet on for this episode and also took it you know yeah yeah as I said uh let's foster credibility
with a puppet and a leprechaun so welcome to the show guys thank you for joining me I have been
having so much fun talking about the films of Edgar Wright and this one is controversial for me I guess
if we're if I'm gonna set the table for uh where this conversation is going to go but uh Hughesy you
wanted to specifically talk about this one so why did you want to pick this to talk about and why was
it because of suicidal alcoholism and and drugs that's not about the drugs yeah no but the thing about this
this one that really stuck out to me is at the time when this came out was 2013 uh I was I was like heavily
into the party scene
and it sort of scared the shit out of me
because re-watching it just a few days ago,
it makes you realize that everybody's got
that inner Gary King,
who Simon Pegg plays, inside them.
Because I'm 40 now and I'm like,
I've still got the thing in me where I'm like,
let's go out like we used to.
Let's day drink and then go to some nightclub
and then we'll go to an after party
and then we'll go day drinking the next day
to cure the hangover.
But you think, come on, we're not old,
we've still got it.
And it's not helping the fact that Oasis is back
and the biggest band in the world.
See, I was right the whole fucking time.
But then at the same time,
what I loved about it is you can relate
to the frustration of the middle age,
becoming middle age,
where it's like you could see how in the film,
took so much effort just to get,
was it five or six friends to meet up to hang out again?
Obviously, but in real life, it's like,
I remember on a bad night out when I was a teenager,
there'd be maybe 30 to 40 people going out to the bars
and the nightclubs.
And you'd think, oh fuck, only 40 people came today.
This is terrible.
Nowadays, if you can get over 10,
that's like a record where you're like,
holy shit, I don't know what to say to people.
Netflix?
Yeah.
That's let me check with the wife syndrome.
That's the way you can go out and do anything.
Do you know why Stevie Wonder can't see his friends?
Why?
Because he's married.
Yeah.
Pack a, hack a.
All right.
2K.
Yes.
Had you seen The World's End before I asked you,
invited you onto the show?
One of the ways I judge a movie is basically saying,
did I pay money to see it?
I saw this movie in the theater when it came out.
So I actually, yes, I actually went to a theater,
sat down, bought a soda,
and maybe get some crappy hot dog and watch this movie
with like five other people in the theater,
but it was a matinee.
But I remember enjoying it very much back then.
I see the pop-up on TV,
so I've seen it here and there.
But I did make sure to rewatch it,
just to sort of re-familiarize myself with it,
but it had been a while since I've seen it.
And this is one of my favorite ones in the series,
because it's, it does remind you of that whole thing,
like you said, when you're,
I know guys just like the Gary Cain character,
who are the same people they were back in high school.
I've actually podcasters with a few of them,
but that's neither here nor there.
But I feel like I'm a completely different human being
than I was in high school.
But I know guys are like,
but this is the same, he's the same guy.
Oh my God, how did you not change at all?
So Gary's the representation of all those guys
that I've known since high school
who are still basically mentally in high school.
Yeah, and not to bring it into a dabble verse conversation,
but Gary King is exactly what Stuttering John is.
He admitted, and I'm not making accusations,
he said himself that he still does nose beer
in his 60s or whatever.
And he still drinks pretty much all day, every day.
And it's like, why?
You're not going to reverse time
and go back to the way it used to be
as much as we would love to.
Specifically me, I used to have,
I had so much fun right up until two years ago,
and then I realized, I can't fucking do this shit anymore.
That first night you go out and stay up all night
and it almost murders you.
And you're like, oh shit, oh shit,
I can't do that anymore.
Like, fuck, I can't just go home, get changed,
and go to work.
Fuck!
That happened to me for the first time
about three years ago.
It was the morning after a school reunion,
ironically enough.
And I had so overdone it,
even by my standards at the time,
that the next morning,
I think I may have legitimately had
a minor heart attack in the shower.
Oh, jeez.
Because I've never been hungover like that,
and I've had a few hangovers since,
so I thought, you know what?
Maybe I'll not do, you know,
a whole bottle of whiskey
and a big bag of Coke every weekend.
Maybe I'll just wank all the time.
I mean, read books is what I meant to say.
You know, that's what I meant by wanking.
You know, ah, reading a book,
you know, turning the pages,
that kind of wanking.
It does get to a point where your body
physically starts telling you
that enough is enough,
rather than you consciously making that decision.
Your brain is obviously not making good decisions,
so your body just starts making them for you
as soon as you get to 40.
That's why I love Guinness so much,
because there's literally a physical limit
that you can have,
where it's like you just,
at some point,
you cannot digest it anymore,
and it just,
and it's like maybe five to six pints,
and then you realize you're done,
and it's just like sitting in your stomach here,
and you can feel it,
and it's like,
it's just like water on top of water.
Like, we're going to burst.
But that being said,
I will never, ever truly give up drinking.
Ahoy.
Yeah, cheers to that.
That is interesting.
I know people that don't have the fail safe that I have.
I'll either vomit or pass out
before I will get blackout drunk
and start acting a fool,
whereas I've seen,
you know,
several women that just don't know
when enough's enough,
and don't know what happened the night before.
But this film did,
like even,
excuse me,
even re-watching it the other day,
it's,
it really does worry me
that I do have that Gary Kingness still in me,
because that type of music,
the soundtrack in this film,
that's the type of music I listen to every day.
Yeah.
Like, I love,
like, what is it,
the primal scream opens the song,
or, no,
when the credits start playing,
and you just go,
they go,
I don't want to lose your love.
We want to get loaded,
and we want to have a good time.
And that's what we're going to do.
We're going to have a good time.
We're going to have a party.
And I remember
when that came out
in 1991 or 1992,
and on top of that,
oh, fuck,
during the pandemic,
I had a midlife crisis,
because they announced
the 30th anniversary of that album,
and I'm like,
what do you mean 30 years ago?
I can remember
queuing up the Biden cassette.
Yeah.
Like, vividly,
and it's like,
my,
and that was 30 fucking years ago?
Yeah.
Ridiculous.
And that's one of the better things
that I like about
The World's End
is the themes of male friendship,
and responsibility,
and loneliness,
and the value of that kind of nostalgia
that you had about hanging out
with your friends when you were younger.
I think a lot of people,
as they grow up,
long for that,
the easier days
when they didn't,
they had less responsibilities,
and not a care in the world,
and just hanging out with friends
was the most important part of your life,
and this is obviously something that Gary,
the main character,
if we're going to sort of start talking about
the beginning of the film
and the introduction of the characters,
that includes Simon Pegg as Gary King,
and then we have Nick Frost back again as Andy,
and then we have Ollie,
played by Martin Freeman,
Pete, played by Eddie Marion,
and Steve, played by Patty Considine,
I think is how you say that.
Hughsy, are you more familiar with these UK actors?
Is that more prominent over there than those?
I mean, I recognize these guys,
but with the exception of Simon
and Martin Freeman and Nick,
the other two are maybe less familiar to me.
Yeah, when this came out,
this was basically the equivalent of the UK comedy,
Ocean's Eleven,
in that these were all legitimately big names
and successful actors,
but it actually had a bit of a weird one
because Patty Considine has directed films,
and he made a film called Tyrannosaur,
and I'm not,
because this is going on YouTube,
I'll not make you have to edit more,
but Eddie Marsden was in that,
and he played this,
basically, this husband
who was so barbaric to his wife,
like all the horrible stuff,
you can imagine,
and they didn't hold back at all
in that film that's very graphic,
to now they're like,
and here's a comedy from them.
And they go,
that guy's hilarious,
despite what he did.
Oh, interesting.
That's interesting,
because 2K,
maybe you could speak to this as well.
when Hot Fuzz came back,
after Shaun of the Dead set the world on fire,
everybody loved Shaun of the Dead,
and now it's like,
okay, now let's bring up the budget,
bring up the cameos,
Hot Fuzz,
you know,
we're talking about this after that,
obviously,
in the series of shows that we're doing,
but everybody wanted to be
in the Edgar Wright business
to the point where Peter Jackson
and Cate Blanchett
or making one-threaded cameos
in Hot Fuzz.
So now you have this,
where,
as Hughes is saying,
just people want to be in business
with Edgar Wright,
and did you,
you know,
what were your thoughts
about the filmography,
maybe Shaun and Hot Fuzz
leading up to the world end?
Shaun of the Dead was the kind of movie
that came out of nowhere for me.
I just saw this,
oh, this is like,
it looked like just a,
you know,
you first see it like,
oh, here we go,
another zombie movie,
and they realized,
okay, this is something comedic.
And I was vaguely familiar
with Simon Pegg
and Nick Frost at that point,
but this is really
what kind of put them in,
in like my,
I guess my focus,
for lack of a written.
And I could watch,
this is fucking hilarious.
I think that actually
set me up for a bit
of a letdown with Hot Fuzz.
Because I really,
I loved,
I loved,
loved, loved Shaun of the Dead.
And I watched Hot Fuzz
thinking,
oh, it was fun,
but there was no Shaun of the Dead.
I know a lot of people
really loved that movie,
so I'm not trying to shit on it,
because I did enjoy it.
I got,
I got what they were going for.
They were going for all of the,
you know,
the action movie cliches,
you know,
the diving with the two guns,
you know,
shooting,
and the dive last 35 seconds.
85 rounds of ammunition
while in full dive.
Yeah.
It's fantastic.
So I did enjoy it.
It's just,
I loved,
Shaun of the Dead so much
that I guess I,
my mind,
I was expecting like same level
of like enjoyment.
And I think I said,
I did enjoy it,
but it's not to the same degree.
Now,
with the world's end,
I feel like,
oh,
go ahead.
I was just going to say,
not to stop you,
but I,
I pretty much agree with that.
And what,
to all your other point
that people love Hot Fuzz,
we've,
our previous guests
on this series
have also agreed
that Hot Fuzz
is their favorite
for one reason or another.
and I,
to that,
I say,
go rewatch Sean
with a critical eye.
And it's,
there,
there's a lot going on in,
in it that is maybe done
to a less successful degree
in these,
you know,
proceed,
you know,
the,
the follow-up things
that are kind of like,
let's,
I don't know,
you see Adam Sandler
doing it with,
the wedding singer
and 51st dates
and anything that he's
trying to shoehorn
Drew Barrymore
or Jennifer Aniston
into,
it's just like,
trying to duplicate
the success
of the wedding singer.
And that's kind of what
Hot Fuzz
and the world's end
are for me.
But go ahead,
Husey,
what were you thinking?
Yeah,
if we're disrespecting
the wedding singer,
I'm going right now.
I'm not disrespecting the wedding.
The wedding singer
is amazing.
I'm saying,
he tries to
replicate the
chemistry
and the magic
of the wedding singer
with 51st dates.
And it's just like,
you know,
photocopy of a photocopy
attempt at
trying to harness
the lightning in a bottle
that was the wedding singer.
And I think that
Hot Fuzz
and World's End
are that to Sean,
for me.
But,
that's just my opinion.
Drew Barrymore
and Adam Sandler
did a third film together.
And I think it's called
Blended.
Yeah.
It's about these two,
for anyone who hasn't seen it,
it's about these two
single parent families
who pretend to be
together
so they can get
this free vacation
to the beautiful destination
of Africa.
And it's full of
so many stereotypes.
You would think
that Anthony Comey
was an executive producer.
Yeah.
Like,
it's true.
So much of
Adam Sandler's catalog
is just an excuse
to go on vacation
with his friends.
And the movie
is just an afterthought.
But,
Tookey,
what were you going to say?
Based on what you were saying
about
photocopying
Drew Barrymore,
Blended is proof
that if you photocopy
Drew Barrymore
too many times,
she comes out retarded.
the multiplicity of Drew Barrymore
is blended.
Yeah.
But what Tookey
was saying about
Edgar Wright's films
and it felt like,
because he's clearly
a massive film nerd
and not just like,
oh,
the arts
of the German expressionism
of the 70s
and all.
He's like,
no,
I like 80s
and 90s
B-movie shit.
I like the classics.
I love the corny stuff.
I have guilty pleasure stuff.
He has publicly stated
his love,
his legitimate love
of Bad Boys 2.
I'm not in an ironic joke way.
And he's 50% right.
It's even things like,
I will still,
I'm a huge collector
of physical media.
Edgar Wright's DVD releases
at the time
were such a,
like,
I remember the
Shaun of the Dead DVD.
There's more content
on the disc
than there is the film.
There's like,
multiple commentaries
and animated
plot hole fillings
and it's just,
like,
you can clearly tell
that this guy's like,
what would I want
if I was a filmmaker?
Oh, I am.
So,
perfect Edgar Wright
impression.
So,
that's the thing.
And,
like,
you were talking about
Hot Fuzz
and the cliches
and how he would use
the music from 80s
action film trailers
in the actual
Hot Fuzz film itself.
And it's like,
this guy is fucking
exactly what I need.
Mostly.
That's,
a lot spot on.
And we've been talking
about how so much
of Edgar's films
are references.
It's fandom
as a personality.
And that's very much
on display in space.
This is probably
a good time
to talk about
the space portion
of the coverage
that we've been doing
from episode to episode.
And this episode
features the season,
or episode one
and episode two
of Spaced,
where we have
the return
of the characters.
Daisy had left
at the end
of season one.
So,
she comes back,
but then it's just
peppered in
with so many references
that included
Pulp Fiction,
The Matrix,
The Color of Money,
and then Empire Strikes Back,
and the running gag
of the Phantom Menace
being shit,
which is very funny
to me,
especially retroactively
being past
the third installment
of a trilogy
with The Last Jedi
being so hated.
What would Tim from Space
think about Last Jedi
if he hates
Phantom Menace so much?
And it's just fun
to see that
Kevin Smith clerks
fingerprints
informing the character
of Tim
and the series of Space.
What is your
opinion of space?
Well,
that's the problem
with Simon Pegg
in space.
Because in my head,
I like to think,
well,
I'm this super cool,
tough guy
from the streets
who loves to
get with the ladies
and have a good time,
but at the same time,
I'd be like,
do you want to talk
Marvel, though?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like,
I would,
these,
that's one of the reasons
why I had such a problem
with, like,
the Big Bang Theory,
that apart from
the science talk,
I could easily hang around
with those four dicks.
Yeah.
I'd be like,
yeah,
let's debate the Flash
versus Superman.
I'm into it.
Yeah.
But I understand
what he was like
with the Phantom Menace
because it was shit,
but we almost need,
as you say,
Andy,
a bonus scene
of space
to wrap up
what he thinks.
But then Simon Pegg
would do that
because he's become
a real fucking
shill,
and he was in
the new Star Wars.
Oh, yeah.
I forgot about that.
Good point.
Yeah,
it does have
a certain involvement.
I mean,
obviously,
anybody would want to,
that grew up with it,
would want to,
if they had the opportunity,
be a part of it,
whether it sucks ass
or not.
but,
yeah,
I just,
Spaced really is
kind of the way
that I grew up.
I thought that
season two,
episode one
was the perfect
companion to
the World's End episode
because Colin and Marsha
are getting smashed together
and there's a bit
of a celebration,
a drinking celebration
with Tim,
with Daisy coming back.
And it's just
an interesting,
glow up
to season two
from season one.
And I'm not,
we talked about how
the character of Daisy
is maybe
unique in the sense
that,
like Caitlin Olsen
or Zooey Deschanel
in like New Girl
and
Always Sunny,
it's just,
the character of Daisy
doesn't have to rely
on her looks
to be entertaining
in season one.
And that being said,
I don't think
that the value
of a woman
is her looks,
but in season two,
when Daisy comes back,
I find the character
of Daisy
more valuable
in the sense
that she is hotter.
Yeah.
Yeah,
that's why you like
recording with New Girl,
her witty puns.
Yeah,
right.
Exactly.
There's no,
there's no value
in looking good
on camera.
But I did appreciate
the fact that
Daisy
had a bit of a glow up
in season two.
And
it's just,
I don't know,
it's just a better version
of the character.
And also,
let's see,
season,
or season two,
episode two,
the,
I was talking about
how when Tim
gets fired
from his job,
it kind of
goes hand in hand
with what you were saying
about the Big Bang Theory
and trying to think
of yourself
as a tough guy
and then he gets fired
for yelling at a kid
and runs home
like a little girl
because he's upset
about losing
his really cool job.
And I just remember,
do you guys have
any childhood memories
of baseball card shop owners
or comic book shop owners
and the culture
of the people
that work there
and are predatory
with children?
Financially,
not sexually,
but I just remember
guys like that
when I was a kid.
Like you,
I've been in comic book shops
and had two-hour debates
with other nerds
about random superhero shit.
And the shop I went to
was run by a guy
named Jerry,
who we essentially called
Jerry the Jew.
And the kid would come in
and the kid was there
for more than five minutes.
He'd be like,
you buying something?
Listen, we got this stuff
over here.
It's on sale.
You want this stuff
over here?
Look what I got over here.
Lovely gentleman,
but, you know.
Was it like a blind mic?
Was it a blind mic,
you know,
hat on a hat nickname?
Yeah, I don't think,
yeah, I don't think
we're taking you long
to figure it out
once you walked in.
Yeah, mine was always,
because I was always
a big video game player
as a kid,
which I've started
playing again
a lot recently,
which is embarrassing
to my age.
but there would always
be this guy
who would convince you
to buy whatever
the new game is
and he would really
hype it up
and be like,
this, you know,
Tasmania the Devil
video game,
this is so much better
than all this other stuff
before,
even though all those games
in the 90s
are exactly the same.
Each one is a character.
He has to jump this way,
to go in a sub-level,
to jump this way,
to collect all the diamonds
or the coins,
and every week
you're buying it
and you want to go,
that fucking cunt
fucking got me again.
And I did say that
back then.
Yeah,
we used to have
a card shop owner
named Jim
that would make it known
to all the children
that he had a concealed
carry permit
and play something
called Pack Coker
with the baseball cards
where you would,
everybody would buy
sometimes whole boxes
of cards
and then you would
all open them
and whoever had
the most valuable set
would get like
all of the sets
and it was just
this really
like greasy way
of taking advantage
of kids.
I don't know,
just that guy
was a fucking creep.
And then the blowjobs?
Yeah.
To be fair.
If you lost,
you had to blow them,
right?
To be fair,
it's the kids' fault
for being stupid.
Yeah.
There have to be steaks.
There need to be steaks
in Pack Coker.
Package Coker,
I mean,
in more ways than one.
So let's get into the film here
because there's kind of a lot to,
usually I just say that this is more discussion
about the film
and we don't really unpack beat for beat the plots,
but this is so linear in the sense that these five friends
are on a pub crawl
that ends at a bar called The World's End
and that's where the title comes from.
But I found it interesting
how each beat at each of the pubs
kind of has its own purpose in the film.
So it makes a lot of sense to talk about them linearly.
Is that a word?
Linearly?
But I do want to point out that the top of the film
when Gary decides to,
that he's going to revisit this failed childhood experiment
that they,
that were not able to complete the pub crawl.
He's in what looks like maybe an AA meeting
and the woman on the left
is Mary the zombie that gets impaled in Sean.
So that's a fun cameo to point out.
Yeah.
And what you're saying, Andy,
that that's the perfect type of Edgar Wright thing
in that there's always something else going on
in the background
where just as you point out,
you go,
that's the fucking zombie from the garden?
She's so,
who they thought was drunk.
Remember in Shaun of the Dead?
Yep.
And now here she is having kicked the drunk.
The one they start throwing records at.
Yeah, you're right.
Exactly.
And as we've been talking about each movie,
the fact that Edgar has so many running gags from,
not just in the movie itself,
like from the beginning of the movie to the end of the movie,
which he loves to do,
but also from movie to movie,
but also from space,
the series,
he's pulling callbacks to season one of space
and in a lot of these films.
So he just loves a callback.
He loves a running gag.
Obviously the fence bit,
obviously the Coroneto thing.
So you just are,
it's,
there's so many Easter eggs that make his films fun to watch,
especially the Coroneto trilogy,
that you want to find those cameos.
You want to find,
you know,
Martin Freeman is obviously more featured in this one,
but in the first one,
somebody said that Martin Freeman's in all of the Coroneto films.
And I was like,
I don't even remember him in Sean.
And it really is a really short cameo.
But yeah,
just Edgar's love of a callback and a running gag.
It makes these movies that much more fun.
So,
so where is space like this,
as far as when it came out in,
in comparison to the trilogy,
is it before,
during,
after like when,
when it's based to get done before.
So space is,
I think 98,
99.
And then,
Sean came out,
right.
You know,
very soon after that.
And there's a lot of.
Points to be argued that.
Just.
Sean of the dead is spaced with zombie apocalypse.
It is.
You could,
you took,
if you took the Liz character and made her Daisy.
That it's basically space,
the movie with zombies.
So,
yeah,
it's just the precursor to his film career.
And you say pre,
because right before he did,
at world's,
at the world's end,
he did a Scott Pilgrim versus the world.
Which,
on a technical scale,
it's like this mind blown artistic thing.
And I just remember at the time thinking,
if he can do that,
if that's what his skills have advanced to,
then when they get back to do this other Simon Pegg film,
this is going to be amazing.
And especially because he'd now become,
not like a huge box office drawer,
but Edgar Wright's films made money for studios.
so he's not going to have to be like,
like,
oh,
you hold the string and the plane will fly off.
You know,
now they can actually have a budget for robots and zombies and,
uh,
uh,
Pierce Brosnan.
Yeah.
Oh my.
And I guess that is a good time to bring up my problem with the world's end.
no black people.
Yeah.
Not enough.
I thought you said problem.
Yeah.
Then he can't live there.
Um,
and this is,
it's a pro it's not Edgar Wright's problem.
It's my problem with what I want from these films.
And I've said previously that.
Scott Pilgrim is my favorite Edgar Wright movie because I have so much in
common with that film from the,
from the bands to the video games to the gay roommate.
Yeah.
Sleeping with a gay man.
I have so much in common with,
um,
that movie that I,
I,
I,
this is,
this is like reached the pinnacle of my,
a fandom with that film.
So now you take the success of Sean,
you take the,
the success of hot fuzz.
Then you have this complete departure.
Oh,
none of those characters are in Scott Pilgrim mostly,
but,
but,
and then now let's return for the third part of the trilogy that of these
awesome installments of Sean and hot fuzz.
And then I just feel like the world's end is disappointing.
and you,
you want,
you're like,
Oh,
we got the band back together.
We got Simon,
we got Nick,
we got Edgar.
This is everything that we've been waiting for.
And then it's just the least of the three.
So I remember seeing it in the movie and walking out after,
and it's just like,
it's just,
wasn't as good as the three that came before it.
You know,
for me,
and I don't know if you agree with this,
but I,
this opinion really get hammered home when I rewatched it the other day,
that as soon as the,
the concept of the film kicks in,
to me,
that's when it falls apart because you've got this really interesting,
sort of funny story about a forced reunion of these friends coming together
to try to recreate a,
uh,
epic party night.
Uh,
that could be pretty funny,
but then at some point it just turns into another action film.
Mm-hmm.
And,
and suddenly,
and I know it's a film,
but suddenly Nick Frost can do martial arts.
I fucking hate this town!
It's like,
it's like,
come on now,
he's a fat gun.
Big bruiser.
Yeah.
Beating people to death with stools.
It is,
uh,
amazing.
And I,
I kind of think it's,
it's like a person that knows how to play piano,
trying to figure out a way to insert a scene where they play the piano in a movie,
like Eastwood in,
in the line of fire.
It's like,
okay,
we get it.
You know how to ride a horse and play piano.
But Nick Frost,
I don't know if you guys have ever seen into the badlands.
It was,
uh,
yes.
An AMC show.
some of the best fight choreography in the history of anything in that series.
Nick Frost is a fucking amazing fight choreography.
I don't know if he takes martial arts,
but I don't know how a guy of that stature can be that agile.
And I think they just are like,
well,
if you can do it,
let's showcase it.
And they have,
I pointed out that in Scott Pilgrim,
the fight choreographer,
uh,
I think his name is Brad Allen.
I wrote it down somewhere,
but he was like a Jackie Chan protege that worked on a lot of Jackie Chan films.
And they used him to like the best possible use of him in Scott Pilgrim.
He also did the fight choreography from this.
And,
and they just try and give Nick Frost that moment because he's so good at it.
But you're right though.
It is kind of comes out of nowhere.
Well,
like,
and the whole plot of the movie,
it gets to,
I think it's 36,
37 minutes in.
It just decides to take this invasion of the body snatchers.
We'll have turn away from all of the realistic,
uh,
drama of this suicidal.
Alcoholic trying to with,
with arrested development,
trying to reconnect with his friends that have wrote him off.
And it sounds,
and it is not a fun topic.
Like,
that's not a fun theme for a comedy action sci-fi movie.
So,
and that's part of the reason why.
That's the part of me.
Like,
oh shit.
Now,
were they implying he tried to cut his wrist?
And that was the implication with the bandages?
Yeah.
Not to,
not to jump to the end,
which is fine.
No,
it's fine because you get to the,
the,
whatever,
the second part of the third act.
And it's revealed that the character of Gary King,
uh,
had tried to kill himself.
That probably the,
the sequence right at the top of the film,
where you think maybe he's an AA was probably,
uh,
you know,
a group therapy,
a mental institution that he escaped from.
So it's like,
wow,
we're having so much fun with this alcoholic,
suicidal,
uh,
person that doesn't care about him or his friends in any real way.
Uh,
you can relate,
right,
Husey?
Every day.
But it's true because,
um,
without going into graphic details,
because I have no way to prove that what I'm going to say is true.
when you see what was Gary's best day ever,
it did look like a pretty fucking amazing day.
And I'm sure we've all had stuff like that happen when we're younger and think,
I can't believe this is really what happened today.
Like this,
I hope this day never ends.
And then the next day you're,
you have to spend what,
four hours with your change shorter machine.
Yeah.
And it's like,
what the fuck?
This time last night,
I was having this,
at this crazy drugs orgy.
And,
and now I'm kind of like,
these 20 P coins.
Fuck this.
Right.
It's like Al Bundy syndrome,
right?
Yes.
I peaked in high school.
I had,
I scored four touchdowns and life never got any better.
Um,
so that's kind of the Gary King.
Every time I watch this movie,
I want to find a reason to call a handicapped bathroom,
the disabled.
I want to be somewhere and go,
no,
no,
no,
don't use that one.
That's a disabled.
But the,
uh,
I,
I never understood the Al Bundy thing.
Which brings us to a little promise you made just last spring.
Sex again.
Peg,
we've been married for 17 years now.
Can't we just be friends?
No,
I don't like you.
I just want to have sex with you.
To this day,
I,
I think Peg Bundy,
whatever his real name is,
is a,
is a good looking fucking whore.
No offense to her.
Yeah.
And back then in the,
back then in the 80s,
she was a big hard,
horny bitch.
And it was,
what did you get to complain about?
Uh,
Peg.
Yeah.
He's like,
banger,
you fig.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a,
I mean,
that's what makes the show special,
but this,
um,
you know,
that arrested development,
that longing for the,
the lighter,
easier,
more fun days is why Gary wants to revisit and complete the pub crawl.
Or they're doing something called the golden mile.
in their hometown of new Haven.
And you get a Pierce Brosnan cameo at the top.
He shows up later.
And,
um,
now it's goes into the blues brothers sequence.
Again,
you know,
Edgar doing his film references where he,
he has to convince all of his childhood friends to do this pub crawl with him again.
Oh,
yes.
Look at these cunts.
You're late.
No,
I'm not.
Yeah,
you are.
You said three.
It's almost four.
Yeah.
Three for four.
You know,
your problem,
Gary,
you're never wrong.
How is that a problem?
And everybody else has moved on.
It doesn't mean anything seemingly to anyone else,
but he's lying about his mom's cancer or that other people,
people that have written him off,
specifically Nick Frost,
character of Andy,
um,
which we come to find out later.
Uh,
Gary,
what was it?
he got so drunk that he got in a car accident and left Andy for dead.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let him be arrested.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So again,
fun stuff,
right?
Right.
Well,
the other fun thing too,
he pays back Andy to 600 quid.
he owes him by borrowing 200 from each of the other guys.
Yeah.
It's just like this character is not likable.
And,
but that's another good thing to point out,
which we have pointed out between,
um,
as Simon Pegg and Nick Frost moved through these films respectively,
they're not just doing the same thing all over.
It's just not just Simon and Nick in this movie.
In that movie,
you got,
um,
like the lazy kind of dickish ed,
in Sean,
but then Simon Pegg is kind of doing that more with Gary,
where I was just going to bring up that comparison.
Yeah.
In,
in Sean,
Ed never has a character arc where he learns and grows and becomes
better by the end of Sean of the dead.
It's just,
Ed is dead at the end.
It's the same guy doing the same shit.
And that's kind of what happens with Gary in this.
He doesn't really become a better person.
He just,
it goes from not the apocalypse to the apocalypse.
And he's the same guy doing the same shit with the robot versions of his friends that,
that he always wanted.
That's not a character arc.
And it doesn't make that character a good person.
Whereas Simon Pegg has kind of always been more of a likable,
good person in all the other,
the previous films.
And then in this,
he's an unlikable asshole.
And,
and,
and Andy,
Nick's character,
Andy is more of a,
a tie,
a straight laced tight ass,
as opposed to a slacker or a buffoon and hot fuzz.
So these guys are doing different,
uh,
amazing things.
And it,
it just needs to be pointed out that,
uh,
that their,
their acting chops are fantastic.
So.
he said it much more eloqu-,
more eloquently than I was going to say it.
I was going to say in the,
in Shaun the Dead,
I wanted to slap the shit out of Nick Frost the whole time.
And in that,
the world,
and in the world said,
I wanted to slap the shit out of Simon Pegg the whole time.
So.
It's,
which is,
which is the point.
This is the point.
Because like,
the,
the,
the idea that,
that no matter what happens in this movie,
no matter what,
all the thing Gary cares about is finishing the,
the,
the pub crawl.
All he cares about.
Yeah.
And that,
I mean,
that's on display.
it specifically at the,
the part where they get to the bar that he's 86 from.
And he goes out and everybody's walking away.
He sees what's happening.
And he,
he's compelled to combine the,
the three ass ends of those beers that other people didn't finish and drink it.
Like,
well,
who is this for?
Like,
why are,
why are you doing this to yourself?
Your friends didn't see you do it.
He's,
it's all he cares about.
And it's,
it's,
it's all he has as a,
as a loser who peaked in high school.
I don't want to be sober.
It never got better than that night.
That was supposed to be the beginning of my life.
All that promise and fucking optimism.
That feeling like we could take on the whole universe.
It was a big lie.
And it's,
it's not a good look.
It's not a fun theme for a movie to drill down on addiction and depression and mental health.
And it really made me wonder at the end of the movie,
um,
between the guys that wrote it,
I think Simon and Edgar usually write together,
where it was somebody in their life or one of them dealing with addiction.
and this kind of,
to,
to prompt writing something like this.
That is not,
to me,
it wasn't,
it's not fun.
This is not a fun movie.
Am I wrong?
Simon Pegg himself has admitted that before Hot Fuzz,
he was a raging alcoholic to the point that he said he's actually drunk in Mission Impossible 3.
And that,
and he said that he doesn't know how they got away with it.
There's apparently some weird story about how he was completely drunk on the plane,
on the flight over,
and he almost got like arrested or something at customs,
but they got him through.
So, um,
I think that part of it is based on Simon Pegg.
And,
I mean,
you can even see like with him trying to cling on to his youth in real life with his hair,
like,
like just let it go.
Okay.
His hair is thinner than the plot to Adam Sanders blended.
Yeah.
I know.
So,
yeah,
there is something to,
I'm glad you,
I'm glad you said that and knew that because,
uh,
I really do think that this is a,
therapeutic movie for one of these guys for Simon sounds like specifically.
So,
um,
but does that make it interesting for an audience?
Does that turn this into a fun installment in the filmography of Edgar Wright?
Edgar Wright?
And I,
I'm struggling to figure out where it fits in.
And,
you know,
I hate to say it,
but this might be,
I got it.
I've only seen last night in Soho once.
I'm looking forward to rewatching that to really,
uh,
examine a real opinion of that.
And I haven't rewatched it yet,
but this might be my least favorite movie of Edgar Wright.
What do you think?
Hey,
Hey.
Oh,
I,
well,
see,
I,
I did,
I remember enjoying it myself,
but I don't remember,
I wasn't blown away.
I do think I enjoyed it more the second time I watched it.
I think I just,
I just like was looking for more stuff the second time I watched it.
And just like,
is this,
the,
the,
um,
the idea,
like,
like with Hot Fuzz,
it's basically based on two characters.
This is based on more of a five character thing.
Even six,
if you count,
um,
uh,
the sister,
you know,
it's kind of like,
like more like an ensemble with the group.
So it's a different feel to it.
You know?
So I feel,
and I feel like each of the characters did bring something different.
The fact that Pete's a complete coward after his,
and again,
it is a lot about trauma.
Pete's a coward throughout the entire movie because it was trauma of getting the shit kicked out of him.
Like you said,
the guy knocked his eye out of his fucking head.
Yeah.
I'm like,
yeah,
okay,
it's not a lot of fun.
Jesus Christ.
You know,
that's what he's hiding during every fight.
So you're right.
There is a lot of like,
like trauma stuff involved with,
with this,
with this movie,
which,
which you don't really get with the other ones.
So I don't know if I would put it last.
I mean,
it's,
it's hard for me to say,
because again,
I guess I,
maybe because again,
because Hot Fuzz,
I wasn't blown away by it.
The first time I saw it,
I do it,
I did enjoy it,
but it's probably between this and Hot Fuzz for the ones.
I love,
um,
Scott Pilgrim.
Scott Pilgrim was a freaking amazing movie.
Such a fun movie.
I've watched it a dozen times.
I never not enjoy it.
Every time I watch it.
So.
It's the one I've seen the most as well.
Definitely.
Here's he,
any thoughts on the,
the themes and the fun and like where it fits into the lexicon.
Well,
see,
I,
I still think that the,
the first half of the film is great,
but what,
and it's especially,
uh,
for those that haven't seen it,
spoiler alert,
but Gary is arguing with the rest of the guys and they're all in the,
the bar and they're clearly arguing and not getting along.
So it's become quite aware that the others are either going to just go back to the hotel and get up in the morning or try and get a bus or something home that night.
So guys realizing, fuck the one thing I wanted to do since the 1990s, it's all gone to shit.
To the point that he goes into the bathroom in this pub to take a piss and he starts talking to this younger teenage boy.
And it gets so low to the point that he's almost talking about going out to hang around with the teenagers.
You guys look like you're having a good night though.
I'm doing the golden mile tonight.
You want to hang along?
You're going to be like the six musketeers.
But,
you know,
but,
uh,
I think that one of the reasons why I would say Americans maybe wouldn't like this film all that much is that it's so,
it's very,
very niche.
Like,
soundtrack wise,
that type of music is,
sells like stadiums over here.
Maybe not so much in America.
But,
um,
I haven't actually,
so I would give,
if I had to rate this,
I would definitely say it's like a 50%.
But I haven't enjoyed the Simon Pegg,
Edgar Wright film since this.
I thought Baby Driver was embarrassing.
Last night in Soho,
I fucking hated it.
It was so shit.
I am looking forward to the Running Man now,
because I'm old enough to have seen the original.
Okay,
that means that I'm gay.
Oh, crap.
Yeah, but I think that this,
uh,
I think that,
I would describe the Warriors end as good,
and that's about it.
Okay.
The fight scenes where Gary is just trying to drink while fighting the robot guys.
He's just trying to down,
and he's,
every time he just knocks it into his hand,
he's like,
Motherfucker!
Motherfucker!
I did have a note that it's like a reference to Drunken Master.
Especially the fight choreographer was a Jackie Chan protege.
I picked up on some of those things. Specifically, the thing that they did with the scarf with Rosman Pike's character.
Point out that Pierce Brosnan and Rosman Pike are both in Die Another Day, 007 connection there.
So I enjoyed seeing those two in a movie together again, even in the limited capacity that they were both in it.
Yeah. And you got Nick Frost being Jackie Chan.
Yes!
It's kind of what keeps the movie engaging, even though it just takes this complete left turn from something that is like big chill kind of having nothing to live for, which are all such fun times that we're having at this movie.
It's such a depressing premise to then just go into this crazy sci-fi invasion of the body snatchers plot.
Yeah. And it's like what you mentioned earlier, Andy, that you don't feel sorry for Gary.
Yeah. You don't say to him, "Go on! Get those last few pints!" It's like, "No, this is insane! What are you doing?"
Get out of there!
Yeah, you're putting all of your friends' lives at risk, the character of Pete, which his death is, again, one of the things that I talked about with Sean, not to keep bringing it back up, but that movie is so impactful.
Yeah. And because of the part when he killed his mom at the Winchester, it is insanely heartbreaking. And people don't remember that after it's over because they had so much fun watching them hit the zombie to the Queen song and all of the things that came before it.
Yeah. And so, like, when Sean kills his mom and then his friend turns the gun on, kill him and he only survives because it's not loaded. These are, it's like the darkest thing you can possibly conceive of putting it on the zombie, like, exactly inside. And that just imprints on you and makes you remember Sean of the Dead.
Realize why. And then, and that's something that I brought up in the review of that. So you get to this and I think they're trying to maybe do the same thing here.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
It focuses so much on the unfun, dark stuff and the front street and there's not enough comedy. I really did not laugh a lot at World's End. The way I laughed at Sean, the way I laughed at Hot Fuzz and Scott Pilgrim. These are far funnier movies. And then it gets to this and it's just like this guy, this main character is not likable. He's putting all of his friends in jeopardy. The character of Pete.
Basically just, he throws himself away. It's not even that he forced me to spend entire lessons hiding in a taller cubicle or that he punched me so hard, he dislodged my eyeball. And it's not even that he ruined the large portion of my childhood. No, it's the fact that just then he didn't recognize me. He looked straight through me. Like it all meant nothing. That probably sounds weird, doesn't it?
That story that he tells. Anybody that's ever been bullied, that registers with anyone that's ever felt diminished by a bully. So it's fucking heartbreaking.
This really is a zombie apocalypse. Just with these goofy ass characters trying to deal with it. You know?
Yeah. And a real nitpicking criticism that I had with it was at one point in the film, in the soundtrack, the song by the Doors.
Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, but you're drinking beer. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. And stuff like that, they go, no, you're not drinking, you're not going to whiskey bar. You're going down the fucking pub with a bunch of lads. Hooray!
Yeah. There's not enough drinking songs to pick from. You had to go with that.
Did they have that one like corporate beer that all the bars had at some point? Like the first three beers all became like chain bars of the same royal crown or something like that. I don't know.
Yeah. And the other thing was that a 12 pint drinking binge when you're a teenager or in your twenties, that's not a big deal. I can easily drink 12 fucking beers. Not today, but so that's what it's like. So it's a bunch of fellows who have to drink 12 beers over the course of a 24 hour period. Like easy. Yeah.
A nice long walk in between each beer. So time for the next one.
Yeah. You're telling me you didn't do it every weekend. What else did you have to do except do the golden mile every weekend?
Exactly. So that's why there's, and also, I don't think it helped that when this came out, do you remember there was a Seth Rogen film called-
This is the end.
Thank you. This is the end. Not 12 years a slave as I thought it was called.
But this is the end. Also a comedy.
Yeah. Love me some 12 years a slave or whatever it's called.
I thought that this is the end was by far better and it was a very similar type of story. Anna came out first just like, okay, we'll compete with this.
Yeah, you're right. It did suffer from that. There are many movies like deep impact and Armageddon or Dante's peak and volcano. These movies that compete against each other. And this definitely lost the battle. I had so many expectations. We're talking about. I think before we started recording about going into a film with low expectations. You're, you're able to enjoy it more.
And when you have this bar set that Sean and Hot Fuzz set for World's End. It's just, it can't clear that bar. And this is the end. Even like stuffs it like, like, like a basketball.
You know, it's like, get the fuck out of here with World's End. Because we have a far better apocalypse movie. And that's depressing to say based on, you know, my opinions of Seth Rogen right now. Versus my overall opinion of Edgar Wright's films. Which categorically, you know, almost across the board with maybe the exception of Last Night in Soho, which I've only seen once. Which isn't a good thing.
Like, like, if I want, if it was good, I probably would have gone back and watched it again. And I will for this series. But almost all the other movies I like. So, and that's just kind of where, where I'm at with the, the way that I internalize the World's End.
So, well, I've seen, uh, one night in Soho and to quote the real life Gary King, that was, uh, one too many.
What are your critics?
What are you, your name's Edgar Wright, but do you know how to vote left? Can I have a beer?
Can I have a beer?
Stuttering John as Gary King might be too much of my brain to handle it.
There's a lot of parallels though, you're right.
I'd be remiss if I didn't bring up the fence gag.
There's some good versions of the fence gag in this, you know, where he trips over the little hedge and then knocks the whole fence down.
It's all everybody's waiting for that to happen with this movie.
And that is maybe the saving grace.
They save the Cornetto thing to the bitter end where they know everybody's waiting for it.
And it just kind of is thrown away.
I'm hard pressed to recall any processed foods I actually miss.
They delivered on it.
So I just feel like a lot of this film is just checking boxes and not really.
It feels like they.
That they were obligated to make it, you know, it's just like, how do everybody wants this?
What how do we just do more of the same?
And then it to a to a less successful degree.
And I wonder why if maybe that's why they never worked together after this or it was like whatever.
Simon Pegg goes on to do Star Trek and all every single fucking Mission Impossible movie.
And he's just so busy.
And Edgar is doing Baby Driver and, you know, like everything that he's done since that.
And they just haven't been able to get back on the same page.
Or is there some kind of rivalry where they don't want to work together anymore?
Well, I remember you guys saw, I think it was on Amazon here.
There was some type of ghost hunting show that Nick Frost and Simon Pegg did.
Where like, he becomes like a, I think it's Nick Frost kind of involuntarily ends up hunting ghosts with these people.
And like Simon Pegg is like his boss and it's a real job.
I remember watching on Amazon and they only did one season of it. I thought it was gonna come back and never did.
I found it amusing. It was cute. It was a cute show. I can't think what the fuck it was called though.
Slaughterhouse or something like that?
Ah, that doesn't ring a bell.
More slaughter than laughter, eh?
Cunts.
Yeah, but it was a recent series. I mean, I guess they worked together on that.
It was only like two or three years ago, maybe four years ago.
But then they, Simon and Nick make that, remember that movie, Paul with the gray, like the animated gray alien.
And yeah, this really goes back to what we were talking about in the first installment of this series that I did with Ryan Rebulkan and Fistful of Fingers.
And the chemistry that it takes to have the writing and the point of view of Simon Pegg and the directing chops and sense of humor of Edgar Wright.
And when they work together, there's a certain chemistry that it just breeds a successful movie.
Maybe not so much in this example of the world's end, but then you remove Edgar Wright and you put Nick and Simon and Paul and nobody gave a fuck about that.
Right?
Yeah.
I don't really remember it in any single way, except it existed.
Paul, to me, was one of those, it was like a Saturday Night Live, what do you call them, digital shorts?
Yeah, like a bit kind of thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it was like a digital short edited down to two hours.
And it was just full of all these like one-liners and Shaguni Weaver turns up and says, "Get away from her, you bitch."
And it's like, "Oh, fuck off."
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it was like, I watched it once, I didn't regret watching it, like, "Oh, this isn't entertaining enough," but never went back to watch it again.
Yeah.
Right.
It just doesn't have the right tone, the right flavor that Edgar Wright.
It didn't have enough montage cuts of real tasks.
You know?
Two things with The World's End that, one, I liked a lot.
One, I'm still debating in my own brain.
One was the bar names.
The bar names are sort of like the over the top, I can't remember any of them, but the over the top British bar names, like the Leaky Nipple and the Mailman's Wife or something like that.
Everything's like some type of like weird combination of words to be a pub.
Yeah, I think the most significant one was the two-headed dog, where they fight the twins and the legs as the arms fight.
That's maybe the best one and the most appropriate one. And what was the other one? They go to the disco.
The one with all the teenage girls dancing, in my particular way.
Right, yeah.
Everybody likes that one. With all the schoolgirl outfits making out with the guys in a marmalade sandwich.
Yeah. People enjoy that version of the pub crawl.
Yeah, I guess the other thing was, I don't want to jump in too far, but the ending.
with the post-apocalyptic world, where it's this terrible place,
but everyone sort of gets a happy ending in the post-apocalyptic world.
Even Gary.
Let's back up just a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, please.
Talk about the scene at the world's end, the bar.
Okay.
And they get sucked down.
He pulls the tab to do the last pint, and they go into this sub-cavern, alien...
What is it? It's an AI.
Basement.
Bill Nighy, or not... How do you say it, Husey? Bill Nighy.
Bill Cosby.
Yeah, Bill Cosby.
The voice of the network, where all these...
An alien entity is basically trying to take away agency from the human race for its own good.
Because we suck.
Well, yeah, because obviously Gary sucks at living his own life.
So is this possibly the best version of his life, where he just becomes a young version of himself with his old friends?
And then Nick and Andy...
Okay.
I also have to back up and say that the best parts of this movie are Nick Frost.
And we talked about the implausibility of the character of Andy actually being a brawler, which maybe he was in his previous life.
But he was obviously like a Burt Kreischer machine type of party animal, where he starts doing the shots when they realize it's, you know, an invasion.
And he just gets drunker and drunker.
The funniest part of this movie...
Andy, what's happening?
Gary thinks we should keep up with the crawl, because they know what we're doing.
But they don't know that we know what they're doing.
And basically, no one else has a better idea.
So fuck it.
That's the fucking funniest part of this movie.
And Nick Frost is easily the best part of it.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I didn't want this episode to end without saying that.
But also, it becomes significant here when they're all three sheets to the wind, drunk arguing with an alien AI that is trying to save humanity from itself.
And they're like, fuck you, we don't want it.
We are the human race.
And we don't like being told what to do.
Just what is it that you want to do?
We want to be free.
We want to be free to do what we want to do.
We want to get loaded.
And we want to have a good time.
And that's what we're going to do.
It's an interesting way to have basically a logic, like a flat earth argument with an alien entity where they're just like, fuck you guys.
Just do whatever you want.
Just blow yourselves up, I guess.
Is it free will over paradise, I guess, kind of thing.
Are you going to take free will or are you going to take this perfect society that should kill a few hundred thousand of you to get to it?
But hey!
It's becoming more and more significant conversation for us as property and cars.
Cars are becoming sentient.
People are becoming unable to even own a house.
So it's like all you're left to do is rent an apartment and get in a car that you don't own.
You don't own anything.
Jobs are being taken.
Robots are doing everybody's job for us.
What's left for us to do except get hammered and fuck each other.
It's like, well, it's so bad.
I mean, but how do you argue with this?
And it was just an interesting way for them to approach the proposition of control, except for the fact that they literally are killing Pete and Ollie and like these guys are not.
They're legit gone.
Like main characters.
The compost.
They make them into compost.
So, I don't know.
What do you think about it, Husey?
Do you want to just be subjugated or do you want to get drunk and tell everybody to fuck off?
Well, that all depends.
While Oasis is still active, I'm willing to keep, I just want to have a good time and get loaded.
Yeah.
But until then, I will attempt to keep up with the old me.
But at the same time, I'm fucking very tired.
Yeah.
Right.
But, and yeah, I just wrote down some notes while they were doing that speech and it was nobody's perfect and who put you in charge and the basic right to be fuck ups and drunk philosophy while arguing with this entity, the network, and they just want to be left to their own devices.
And we don't like to be told what to do.
I think that sums up America.
Even if what you're proposing is for the best, don't try and tell me that I have to do it.
The fact that the AI just goes, you know what?
You're right.
This isn't worth it.
Fuck you guys.
Conch.
But God.
Yeah.
So, and then, yeah, now you brought up, it all leads to an EMP basically just shutting down the world and it goes to, you know, the AI is a great thing.
It goes to a post apocalyptic scenario where Steve, what is it? Steven? Who is the guy with that? He ends up with the girl.
And Nick is kind of like an elder statesman of a younger generation.
He, his wife got back together too. Like he eventually his wife were back together, but he tells him during the movie, he knew his wife were broken up.
Yeah. They're getting into the boards.
Oh, right. Yeah.
Yeah.
Good point. Yeah. That's the character arc of Andy.
Yeah.
And then you, that's the sequence where you get the, the mint Cornetto cameo.
He's like, Oh, everything's organic. I mean, nobody misses a shitty food anymore.
And the Cornetto wrapper blows into the shot.
Yeah, but that was one of the bit that I didn't get. So did, did Nick Frost all of a sudden think that the wrapper was a full fucking ice cream?
In that split second, he was like, Oh fuck. It's a wrapper.
I think it just brought back fond memories, but, and then it ends with Gary teaming up with the robot versions of his old friends and he's just reliving his good old days.
Like stuttering John.
Do you think that if there was a robot, like if stuttering John could go sit on a wax museum set with Jay Leno and just have a laugh track that would laugh at all of his fucking jokes that he would do that.
The way that Gary King is marching around the apocalypse with his old childhood friends, thinking that he had the fucking coolest things in sliced bread.
Hanging out with his kids with all their original parts.
Yeah.
Oh, he'd love to do that.
Fantastic.
I remember interviewing stuttering John Munson in the background. You could see this big stack of VHS tapes.
And you, and I could just tell, I didn't even have to ask him, I could just tell those are the Tonight Show episodes.
And he has all these, this collection of his greatest hits on the fucking, on those videos. And he watches them every night.
Drinks himself until he falls asleep on the sofa. He wakes up, "I'm gonna take a piss!"
Do you know how much I would pay to have that collection so that we could rewatch all of John's bombing jokes on the night show? You can't find them anywhere.
John, transfer them to DVD for fuck's sake. Yeah, yeah. It's easy to do.
Stuttering John is so unfunny that the Tonight Show decided not to put the content on YouTube. That's how shit he was.
You see, folks, if you're watching this for Edgar Wright content and you don't know who Stuttering John is, he's a jack buffoon that we make fun of over and over again. So, go Google the dabble verse and go down a rabbit hole.
Yeah, this is the final thoughts on World's End. Not fun. This is very dark themes, especially from a male perspective when you think about older men and friendship and the bonds that they make as kids and lose over the years and loneliness and mental health.
health and addiction. This is all on front street with this movie. And it doesn't, it just didn't
add up to a lot of fun for me. And then they insert the science fiction theme that just seems like
they, they, it was required to be part of the movie based on Sean and hot fuzz. They just
couldn't not do it. And it just didn't make sense. And I, I still enjoyed watching it, but it just
wasn't, it's just like we said, it's just kind of a copy of a copy and less impactful and good than
the two that came before it in the Cornetto trilogy. Cool. Anything to add to Kay? Um, see, I remember,
I think we did, I mean, the trailers didn't give away what the actual, what was actually happening.
It gave you like a Stepford vibe. Right. I think the trailers were like, so I went into it, I, it caught,
the whole sci-fi thing completely caught me. I was not expecting it at all. So the first thing I saw,
I was kind of like, I was like, not confused by it, but I was like, Oh, this, this, this is what we're
doing. Okay. And then in the end, it was a little weird with like, this, the alien just going, okay,
fine. Bye. And out there, but overall, I think again, I felt better about this movie the second time
I watched it, even the third time that it popped up randomly catching part of it. So I found it
enjoyable. I did enjoy it. I guess as far as it's like, I, and, and with me with comedies, I, I hate most
comedies. I think comedy and, and, and, um, horror are really hard to make good movies like action
and, and, and, and like, you know, actually with sci-fi, I'll watch anything. I don't care.
But like those, those two genres are very hard to do. And I feel like as far as like the comedy genre,
I think with a little bit of horror added into it with the concept, I think they did better than most.
Now in, in, in regards to the rest of the trilogy, uh, I would, I would, I would put it on par with hot
fuzz. I think I actually, I think I said earlier, I think I may have actually enjoyed this movie a little bit
more than hot fuzz, but neither one of those stories came close to Shaun the Dead. So that's
still the standard when it comes to these movies. And I just don't think, I don't, I don't know.
I don't think they'll ever top it, but yeah, but just, that just shows how, how good a movie Shaun the
Dead was. Okay. I would encourage you to watch hot fuzz again. If you haven't seen it recently,
it's been a while. If you, yeah, if you just rewatched this and enjoyed it, go watch hot fuzz again and
realize how much better it is than this. I did enjoy hot fuzz too. I just made like this for their own
feeling of like, you know, but again, I, I, I do remember hot fuzz, but I may be right.
I may have to go back on it and go back on it. What am I talking about?
Go down on it?
Yeah. See it with unblinking eyes.
If that's possible for you.
Yeah. Well, yeah.
There you go.
Quesy, final thoughts on the world's end.
Generally, I like it, but I think that it is the film that it shows you a lot of the negative traits that Edgar Wright had. It's very self-indulgently made, if that makes sense, where it's like certain scenes are filmed in a certain way, I think simply because he wanted to do it, not because it actually made logical sense.
For his next film, Baby Driver, he proved me right with that silly shit he was doing. That film is ridiculous. Last night in Soho was crap, so the pressure is on The Running Man, because so far his film career, he's made five films, three good in my eyes, two bad.
So will The Running Man tip it back in his favor? We'll find out this nov.
Yes. Yeah, that's a good way to pivot towards the end of the film. I like to ask the guests, 2K, what's your awareness and opinion of the new remake of Running Man?
I've only heard that's being done. I haven't actually seen much as far as trailers or anything like that online. Whenever they remake these movies, I'm always a little leery. They redid, what the hell was the other one? Get Your Ass to Mars one. What the hell am I thinking of?
Total Recall.
Total Recall. He did Total Recall. I'm like, wait, they're on Earth the whole time? The whole point of the movie was still on Mars. What are we doing? Kate Beckinsale being insanely gorgeous made up for some of it.
Dude, I got to tell you, since you brought it up, that if you watch, just change the name to something else other than Total Recall. You're going to enjoy that movie a lot more.
Once I let it go, I didn't think of it as a remake. I didn't enjoy it more.
Same, because I watched it the first time. I was like, well, this isn't as good as the Schwarzenegger one. And I have that fear for this one. Because the first Running Man is...
beloved to me. I saw it as a young child on HBO, not knowing what I was getting myself into. It had very much informed my opinion of sci-fi and Schwarzenegger and what action is and how hot Sharon Stone was at the time.
These are all things that made a young Andy a fan of film. So to try and do that again with Running Man and the way that I feel about Richard Dawson in that movie, the way that I feel about the villains of...
that each sequence has their own specific villain. And it really is like a video game. And there's so much that I enjoy about the original. So this new version of Running Man has a lot to live up to.
Oh, for sure.
And I've already explained the way that I assign expectations to a movie. And this is a problem with me. Like if you don't live up to... not that anybody has to. But if you don't live up to my expectations, I'm not going to like it. So I'm very much looking forward to it though.
Did either of you guys... I don't know this is a bit of a sidetrack. But did you guys see the trailer for the new Anaconda remake?
Yes. Oh my God.
And what the concept is. The concept is like, is this such a weird concept? I'm like, okay, I see what they're doing here.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'll go see. But I'll say this about Running Man. It does have the cheat code of Josh Brolin is in it. And if you go look at his filmography, or as I think it should be called, filmography. That's the Irish pronunciation.
Is it a documentary? Documentary. Yeah. Documentary. Hello, Kelly. But if you look at Josh Brolin's filmography, since his big comeback, since with No Country for Old Men, is he, everything he has done has either been a critical smash hit or a giant box office hit.
Yeah. So it's like everything he has done has been significantly successful in some kind. So that can help. But at the same time, if you look at the trailers, what you can see is that Edgar Wright has used drone cameras to film this.
And how there's a really elaborate, long, unedited shots of people running and diving down holes and the cameras following them the whole time. And it's like, are you doing this because you get this visual idea with using this technology? Or because you thought, I've got a great new take on the Running Man. We should try this. That's what I'm very wary about. Because he's like, there's part. I know we're not talking about this.
I know we're not talking about it, but Baby Driver. It doesn't make any sense that the whole world is programmed into your fucking iPod.
That's the least of my concerns. But I mean, I like that you point that out because there was, what was that movie? It was Ed Hardy and it was the director of The Raid. And the movie, it was straight to Netflix.
Havoc.
You remember the name of it? Havoc. Havoc. Oh God, I had such high hopes for it. And then it kicks off with that car chase. And you're like, this is fucking cool. And then you realize it's just a fucking cartoon.
So if he can do what that movie was trying to do with these drone shots that you're describing, that's what I wanted that to be. And like I said, if they check that box and hit my expectation of what I thought that should have been, instead of just making it a CGI cartoon, that would have been so much better if it was practical.
And if they can pull that off with Running Man, that would be amazing. That would be a game changer. So now we've set the bar so high and it's probably going to suck, but I don't know.
I'll give it a chance. I'll give it a chance.
All right, guys. Well, I really appreciate your thoughts on this one. This was a hard one to cover for me. And I'm glad that you guys were here to be part of it.
Husey, do you have anything that you would like to plug at this time?
Yes, I'm at the Husey on Twitter and Instagram. Please follow me on Instagram because I can't get any followers there. I'm not a 20-year-old woman with big arse who likes to work out.
So it's very difficult to get any traction over there. You either need to be a beautiful woman with a big arse or a very cute baby to get any traction.
Have you tried being a kitten?
Yeah, you got it.
That works well on Instagram.
Well, Halloween is coming up, so there you go. And also, Husey Entertainment on YouTube, the most ironically named YouTube channel ever. Just get in there and just start spamming up the comments and hit the like button because trigger my algorithm, baby.
Hey, this is coming out a little bit later, but the episode with Quad and Pat Dixon and Lemmy, I very much enjoyed it. So go check out Husey's channel.
Sweet.
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Well, first thing, Annie Orion.
It is Orion, not Orion, right?
Annie Orion's going to be on Movies with 2K with us next week.
That's the 28th.
We'll be watching Lethal Weapon because she's never seen it before.
So that's going to be a lot of fun looking forward to that.
A Christmas film?
I know, right?
It's close to Halloween.
All right, I'm going to fucking bring this up now, too,
as far as this cool Christmas, diehard Christmas movie shit.
It's the movie about Christmas.
That's what makes it Christmas.
Diehard is to watch any time you want to watch it.
Just because it happens at Christmas, that doesn't make it a Christmas movie.
The movie has to be about Christmas.
I made this point, though, when you brought this up on your show,
that you could watch Home Alone any time of year either,
not the Christmas movie.
I did an episode of my podcast where you can find it for free
on all good streaming services,
where I interviewed Stephen E. D'Souza, the writer of Diehard,
and he said it was written specifically with the idea of it being...
a Christmas film that was supposed to come out later in the year,
but the studio put it out in the summer instead.
In the summer.
Yeah.
So it was supposed to be a Christmas film.
So is Diehard 2.
And Diehard 6 was supposed to be a Christmas set film,
but unfortunately, Bruce Willis has soup for brains now.
Yeah.
The only other thing as far as the...
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