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So, I mean, what's the story? I mean, you got a guy or Yes, three big ones, and they went blood. Her name is Samantha Baker, and today is
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her 16th birthday. She's gotten her boobies. I better go get my magnifying glass.
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They forgot my birthday. Classic. This is the single worst day of my entire life.
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Universal Pictures presents Score, a direct hit. 16 Candles.
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You say it's your birthday. It's my birthday, too. The story of a girl who's stuck with a
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guy who's driving her crazy. Nice manners, babe. And stuck on a guy she's crazy about.
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Who's Jake? Jake Lion. Jake's my boy. Jake is a senior and he's beautiful and perfect.
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He doesn't even know you exist. He smiles at me and I don't say
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anything. I can't believe I'm such a jerk. You quit feeling sorry for yourself. It's bad for your complexion.
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Do you know Samantha Baker? Catch her looking at me a lot. It's kind of cool the way she's always looking at me. Maybe she's [ __ ]
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What's happening? The hot stuff. His name is Long Duck Dong. Nothing could shock me anymore.
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Underpants. Can I borrow your underpants for 10 minutes? Girls underpants.
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[Applause] Hate that rock and roll rubbish.
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Everybody in this family has just gone totally out of limits. [Music]
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All right. Who is this? You guys, you just got to be cool. You just got to chill out and just be cool.
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Just watch me. Why?
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I'll let you take Carolyn home. She's so blitz she won't know the difference. Jake, I don't have a car. You could take mine.
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I got to get out of here before anything else terrible happens. She's stuck between a halfwit. Very hot. Very hot.
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And a heartbreaker. I want a serious girlfriend. Somebody I can love that's going to love me back.
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Pretty intense, huh? Everyone she knows is either on her case. You know, you're the one I want to bug,
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huh? Under her skin. Yeah. Oh, she's only eating carrots to increase the size of her breasts or out of their tree.
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Mom's eye. It only happens once in a lifetime. This has got to be a joke.
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And once is enough. Happy birthday, Samantha. This is getting good. 16 candles.
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[Music]
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Hello. Hello. I'm Katie and welcome to Retro, your pop culture rewind. Welcome
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back. Today we're going to flash back to 1984. We're going to revisit 16 Candles, the
Flashback to 1984’s pop culture scene
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film that launched A Thousand Crushes and immortalized teenage awkwardness in this John Hughes classic and the
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unforgettable pop culture landscape of 1984. Returning to the show are two of my
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favorite time traveling podcasters, Jamie and Milo from the 80s and 90s
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uncensored. These guys are all about pop culture,
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nostalgia. They also created PodChum, a community helping indie podcasters
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connect and grow. It's always a blast having you guys. What's new? What's going on in your world?
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Hey, how's it going? Yeah, boy. Lots going on in our world these days. Doing podcasts. Yeah, we got
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Pod Chums. We've got the poties, watching old movies. Jamie's moving
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like like middle-aged life changes and stuff. It's crazy. I had a colonoscopy.
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Oh, that's a milestone, right? Yeah. Now I'm truly middle-aged because I had my first colonoscopy, so I'm good
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to I'm in the club. I'm lucky enough to not have joined that
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club yet, but not far off, probably. Yeah. And on the plus side, they found everything they were looking for in
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there. They got it all out. All the toys, all the lemony winks. They found him. He was
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alive and well. So all good for that little fella. Finally found him.
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Grab your 80s and 90s uncensored mug. Oh yeah, of course. I love it. When joining a podcast,
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tell us more about Podchums. What's the scoop? Tell tell the listeners about it.
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Jamie, it's your baby. So, we started PodChums as just a way to
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connect with other podcasters. Kind of a podcast guild that you're a founding member of, by the way.
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Mhm. So, just a place where we can go maybe find collaboration opportunities,
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maybe share some insider information about podcasting, and we we just got a whole influx of new
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members that we have to introduce you to. that it was just kind of like just us for a
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little while, but now with the Odyssey Awards, we've invited some others. So, we're going to have to have like a
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little intro to all the new members. But, it's fun because, you know, you have the big podcasts and they're part
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of big networks and little podcasts like us, we don't get that, right? So, we
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kind of made one and it's it's it's it's just our own literal kind of it's a network, right? but a network in that we
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can all kind of like collaborate together and share ideas, maybe guest, co- guest,
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have a cross-promotional marketing opportunities, whatever. So, I I think it's fun. I think us little
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podcasters deserve a community for ourselves. You know what I'm saying? We don't have to we don't have to be the
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big guys to have our own thing going on. Agreed. I love it. You meet great people and there's a PodCums like podcast.
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there's a podcast that goes along with it. So, that's fun, especially if you're a podcaster. And, you know, speaking of
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networks, I also wanted to remind RetroAde listeners that if you like to
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dive into the films of specific directors, uh, this season of RetroAde is actually
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on the network the director's chair because I'm covering John Hughes this season. So, if you like that kind of
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stuff, they have Michael Man this season. There's Brian Dealma, Ed Zwick.
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I feel like I'm forgetting someone. So, head on over to the director's chair for other fun goodness. Movie goodness.
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Okay, without further ado, you guys, there's a new spin on the time capsule this season.
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I see what you did there. I'm going to I'm going to Yeah. Can you guys see that?
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Oh, yeah. Yep. Okay. So, I've created the categories on
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the retroade time capsule wheel here. I'm going to spin on your behalf, see what category we come to, and we will
Retro Time Capsule: Kool-Aid Man & more
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test your 1984 knowledge, guys. So,
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have you had your coffee, Jamie? This is brain brain firing.
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All right, you guys. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready to do this. All right. Commercial countdown. All right. In a 1984 ad campaign
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targeting kids and tween, this fruit drink brand featured an animated picture
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mascot who burst through the walls ex exclaiming his famous line.
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Oh, we need to say the line, not the brand. Okay. Yeah. Kool-Aid.
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And And what was the brand? Who was Kool-Aid on that one? Kool-Aid guy.
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Kool-Aid man. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And I like how all the kids were always like,
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"Oh, cool. It's the Kool-Aid Man." Where in real life you'd be terrified. This giant Kool-Aid pitcher just bust through
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the brick wall and you like, "Oh, yeah." You're like, "Oh, yeah." Right away. Kool-Aid was a thing, man.
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You could do a lot with it. You drink the Kool-Aid as is. You freeze it in your ice cube trays and make little Kool-Aid pops out of it.
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You can add vodka to it. Vodka. Exactly. Yes. All kinds of We used to use it to clean up metal. So,
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oh, is it like Coke like that? If you if you concentrate it, there's an acid and you can clean stuff with it.
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Oh, that sounds horrifying that we consume it and we drink it. Uh-huh. All right. There's another one.
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In 1984, this athletic shoe company aired high energy TV spot featuring the
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slogan just for the fun of it. It was promoting aerobics in inspired sneakers.
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And this was shortly before this company's market dominance was eclipsed
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by Nike. What brand was it? Is it? I'm thinking Oh, yeah. I was
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thinking Reebok, but it could be Adidas as well. Miley Miley. I I combined your names.
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You guys are now Miley. That's fine. Yeah, we're like America. If we have a kid, we have that kid someday. Milo, we know what to name.
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Name it. Miley. I Milo, you are correct. Oh, good job,
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Reebok. Just for the fun of it. Let's see another category. You guys are
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doing pretty good.
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Fad Flashback. This particular type of dance exploded in popularity thanks to
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certain films that I won't say because it'll give it away, but they were released in 1984. It began as urban
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street culture and then it hit the national stage spawning competitions and
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TV appearances. What was it? And recently in this year's Olympics in
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France. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. We knew with that Australian gal.
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It was a one and done. One and done though. And what? So what's the answer you guys? Break. Break dancing.
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Break dancing. But the movie breakin came out in 1984.
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That was the movie that I didn't want to name. Oh yeah. Because they would have given it Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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And then Yeah. Breaken. That was big. That was like That was just ahead of the
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movie we're talking about in in the box office. Yeah. Oh, we're doing all right, Jamie. It'd
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be embarrassing if we do a podcast about the 80s and couldn't answer any questions. Yeah. We got our podcast is like 4 and
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1/2 years old and we we didn't know anything. That'd be embarrassing. Let's do another one. So you guys
VHS Vault: Top 1984 rentals revealed
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already won break dancing as the VHS vault. These are always fun. M.
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So VHS Vault is rentals
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that were big. Like you went to Blockbuster. Like what were the top?
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We'll say six because two of the movies that were in the top
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VHS rentals at the time I covered last season on my Ultimate Everyman. So keep
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that in mind. That's a hint. That's why they're I'm doing six instead of five. Mhm. Do we have any guesses before I start
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with clues? Okay. Well, it's got to be stuff that came out like around that time frame.
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VHS uh when Ro came out a little a little
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later. So, you could even get stuff from 1983 too like like uh DB Return of the Jedi might be
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there. Yeah. No, Empire Strikes Back would be 83.
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I'm going to stop you. You're wrong because I'm kind of surprised by these. Okay.
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I wouldn't just pull them out of my brain because this is early VHS time,
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right? Like 84 Robocop maybe. Not that many. No. Robocop's later.
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Well, well, and the Blockbuster wasn't even around. You You had like mom and pop video stores.
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Mhm. So, you had the video stores that were kind of musky that that some guy owned.
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Exactly. like Bob's video store. Yes.
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In the back that you had to walk through the beads and and you're like looking to see if your neighbor's dad is is
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dad coming out of that section. You're like that's Tiffy's dad. You know him.
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And your options were very limited at this time, which is probably why. So the first one,
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so this is 1984. This is why I'm surprised by this. One of the the number one rented video in
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1984 was here's your hint. A co-ed up kingpin with a little friend.
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Oh, really? Scarface. Scarface. Scarface came out that came out 1981,
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didn't it? 1981. It was It was It might have been 82, but it was very early.
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Oh, see I was thinking late '7s. Like 78 or 79. It was definitely in the 80s. It was in the 80s, but yeah. So, Scarface.
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Wow. Wow. Wouldn't have guessed that. Now, I will say I know this because
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Brian Dealma directed that and I was just mentioning that I was on a network with Brian Dealma. So, I know this
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because I listened to the episode. Scarface was not a popular movie when it first came out like at the theater.
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It became popular on video rental. So, it just took a took it a couple years.
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It's one of those slow burners. Yeah. Yeah. And then the next one I'll give you I covered it on my Kurt Russell and
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Patrick sees season and I had a very hard time finding it which is ironic
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because it was the number two most rented movie in 1984 but it was super
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hard to find now. It is a real life nuclear whistleblower played by Stre.
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Oh, this is bringing back something. This does sound so I'm guessing street
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Maril Street. But Sher was in it also. All the President's Men.
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No. No, they weren't in that. This one's stump. This one's stumping me. It's because you probably haven't seen
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it. Okay. Silkwood. Oh, Silkwood. Okay. I have not seen
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Silkwood. No. Kurt Russell. I've heard of it, but I've never seen it. It's very good. It's very good.
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How come? How come this sounds like a great cast and a cool story? Mhm. And why haven't we seen this? Where
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is it? Why is it Why do people withhold it from us? Now I So when I did the episode, it was
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not available to stream anywhere. So I I like literally rented it from my library. I requested it, but I think it
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is now on one of the streamers. So just search for Silkwood. It's very good and it's based on a true story.
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Okay. We're gonna watch that, Milo. Yeah, I think we're gonna do that episode, you
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guys, if you haven't. And we're gonna listen to the episode, too. Yeah, we're we're going to listen to that first thing.
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Okay, next one. A tearjerking tale of mothers and daughters.
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Beaches. I want to say beaches, but beaches didn't come out till later. Came out in the like the later 80s.
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I think Tears of Endearment. Yes, you. Wow. Good job. Good job. And I
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only Yeah, I only know about that because I recently did a article or
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something that I was writing and I I've never seen that either, but it was like best picture or something. It has a lot
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of accolades and I've never I never saw it. So now that I'm old, probably because in 1984 I'm a kid and I don't
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care about that kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly. But now that I'm old, I think I might actually put that on my list to watch it
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and I might actually like it, which is sad, which means I'm getting old. But it happens to the best of us, Jamie.
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Yeah. Okay. A Plymouth Fury with a murderous
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streak. Oh, I know that. It's called Christine.
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Christine. Yeah, there you go. Good job. I love that movie. See, that's probably more of my style when what I
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What a wild premise, eh? The jealous car
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car is killing people because she's jealous. I think that's Stephen King based on the Stephen King novel.
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Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. And so far one out of everything you've listed is it's the only one I've seen,
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but I haven't seen I think I've only seen it once long. Yeah, it was a No, you've seen Scarface. You've seen Scarface? Oh, true. Okay. Yeah, Scarface. So, too.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know, maybe so the last one I also covered last season,
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so that should give you a hint. Either Kurt Russell or Patrick Sees is in it. And it's a mission to rescue PS
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that got a gritty explosive twist. Name that movie.
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Wow. One of those two were in a film to rescue PS. It's a little lesser known, but it is
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very good. The cast is outstanding. Okay. Yeah, I think you're going to have
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to give this one away. I don't have any no idea for me. Do you, Jamie? Jamie.
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I'm stumped on this one. Jean Hackman.
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Is this the one where he's in a plane that crashes and then like he has to
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kind of get out and it's got like a
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No, I don't know. Uncommon Valor. Not what I was thinking of. Oh, now it comes back to me. Yeah.
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Have you seen that one, Jamie? I think I've seen Milo. I would recommend it. It's good. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's one of those under the radar ones for Yep. And
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Patrick was in it. So, these are the VHS top like VHS rentals.
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1983. And they don't Yeah. And they don't seem like some of them are just under the
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radar like you don't hear about some of these. This is the first time and I think it's cuz it's so cuz like mid and late 80s
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it's very clearly the big box office movies like the prior year but I think it's cuz their options were pretty
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limited and getting rights to the to VHS's they were still trying to work
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some stuff out at this time. Yeah. So you had a lot of maybe some that weren't like big blockbusters or
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whatever. Yeah. That's interesting. This does have a good cast though. You got Robert Stack, Fred Ward,
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Randall Tex Cobb. Yeah, I'm telling you. Also listen to that episode.
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Definitely have to listen. Okay, you guys. The last category is can Jamie and Milo come out
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and play? Okay. Launched launched in the US in 1984, these robots
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in disguise were based on Japanese toy lines. and exploded in popularity thanks to the
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animated series and comic book. It's kind of Transformers.
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Transformers. Yes, sir. Every Transformers were cool and the
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cartoon was awesome and the toys were awesome. Milo and I were both poor though, so we had a lot of Gobots. We
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We had Transformers. Yeah, we Was that the knockoff version of a
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Transformer? It wasn't even the other version completely separate thing that
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came from Japan, but they they transformed into cars and stuff. But I think they actually like
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they were came out first. I don't think they Yeah, I might have even come out first, but Transformers were cool, but if you
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were if if you were poor, then you had Gobots. Well, Gobots were smaller as well, like
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the Transformers, and they were lame. Like, you put the you put the arms in, you put the legs up, it's a car. Transformers were cool
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because they were intricate. They transformers were cool. I remember playing like I didn't have we I didn't
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have a Transformer all girl child househood household, but my grandparents
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like had a little toy box for when we came over and I had a boy cousin about my age. So there were I played with
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Transformers at my grandparents house. I think girls probably like Transformers, too, because that's how
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cool they were. They were pretty cool. I I got to admit. Let's see here.
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This is very easy. But while introduced in late 1983, the toy line bmed in 1984
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with Earth ponies, unicorns, and pegasai plus accessories and a full playset
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ecosystem. What was it? What toy am I referring to? Well, it has to be My Little Pony,
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right, Jimmy? My Little Pony. Jimmy, you got your My Little Pony collection back behind you there somewhere, right? We just We just can't
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see. did a whole episode on My Little Pony with with with Milo's wife cuz she
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and we so good. Yeah, she had and they smelled weird. We smelled little ponies and stuff. Yeah,
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they did have a smell and I even had the or technically they were praying my sisters, but the the holding case was
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like a stable looking thing. You know what I mean? You guys know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Looked like a horse stable.
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Yeah. Mhm. My cousins had them and I always thought they had a weird smell. Kind of like
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artificially like smelling fruit along with like dirty kid hands. You mix those together. Yeah. My Little Pony My Little
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Pony smell. They smell weird for some reason.
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Yeah, they did. It's that plasticky artificial scent.
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You're right. And kid smell. Yeah. Kid hand germs all over him.
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Let's see. There's Let's Let's find another one. H in that episode, by the way, we talk
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about bronies. That's a whole another subject. Yes, I I remember that. I do. And Yep.
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Mhm. Mhm. God, there's so many toys, which look that up, friends. Yeah, that'll
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make your day. Or My Little Pony episode. That was a good one. I covered the Cabbage Patch Kids craze
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in my Silkwood episode cuz that was 1983. So that Christmas there was such a
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craze for Cabbage Patch Kids and I did not recall the the name of the the
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company who makes them. Do you guys know what who it not Hasbro or Mattel or
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what? But do you know who made the Cabbage Patch Kids? No, I would have guessed one of those two.
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Yeah, I might have guessed Mattel or Hasbro, but Colico. C O L E C O.
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Colico sounds more like a health care provider. I know. I never in a million years. I
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didn't even know this existed, but there was a spin-off from it. Spin-off pet
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toys from the Cabbage Patch Kids line released in 1984 and included cat and
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dogike companions. Oh. With adoption papers and names. How did
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I not have this? Do you guys know what it's called? Do you Do you guys know this? I remember the pets. They had the pets
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come out because they were so Cabbage Patch Kids were so popular and then they like look they got pets now too but I
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don't remember what the pets were called. I can't even remember what they look like in my head but I can't remember
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what they're called. This says cous. What?
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Cus or something? K O S. I am your new dog. It says K O O S A S
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Cus Kusas. And I remember Cabbage Patch. My cousins had those too.
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And I guess we're teaching young women to be good mothers or something cuz they can't they had adoption papers.
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Yes. Like legit adoption papers. Like this is the name of your adopted Cabbage Patch Kid. And the girls are like this. I'm
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I'm a true I adopted this Cabbage Patch Kid. Mine Mine's was Sonia. Her name was
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Sonia. Sonia. Yeah. Mhm. I just looked up couses and they're kind
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of creepy looking. So they're kind of like the human what do they call it? Like the not anamorphic where like kind
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of they make them humanish looking. Yeah. They're kind of humanish looking. Yeah. Yeah. They're kind of creepy
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looking now. Like if if dogs and and people could have babies, they would look like this, right?
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Yeah. They look like that. You probably should put it down cuz it's suffering.
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If anybody had these, and maybe I'm pronouncing it wrong, but I can't believe I didn't. It seems like that
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would be right up my alley, but that was a thing in 1984. Yeah, creepy looking little animal toy
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dolls. Thanks for playing, guys. You did pretty darn good, I'd have to say. Oh, that's fun going back to 1984. That
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was fun. I like it. All right. Well, on this season, we're no longer talking about Kurt and
John Hughes’ teen comedy legacy
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Patrick. We're talking about John Hughes movies. What do you guys think? What's your history? I like many people am a huge John Hughes
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fan. You know, the fact that he only made eight films but wrote so many more that are just so iconic of the 80s and
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were like defining of the 80s, right? like when you anytime you say 1980s
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movies almost instantly John Hughes comes to mind and you can name his movies and
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even if you haven't necessarily seen all of his movies you could you've probably at least seen one you certainly know
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kind of what they're about usually have a pretty good idea who they star you know so it's just yeah he was he was
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iconic of the 80s we couldn't have had the 80s without John Hughes and interestingly I would say John
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Hughes wouldn't exist today if If he were alive, I don't think any of his movies would be made right now based on
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the content of his movies. I concur. He did kind of go go more in the familyfriendly
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direction. However, they're still pretty problematic a lot of the times. Yeah. Which I'm sure we can we'll
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discuss as we go along. Well, and even some of the plot, like if you look at the Breakfast Club, like
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imagine pitching that to a studio. Okay. So, it's a bunch of kids. They got detention. You got the popular one, the
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nerdy one, da da, and they sit around and talk all day. You know, the studio would be like, "What?" No.
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Well, that happened in 1985 or 84 when he he wrote that before actually 16
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Candles. But they said, "No, no, you have to do a more typical teen movie." Like that was
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sort of the deal he did was make 16 candles in order to get Breakfast Club made. Oh, neat trivia
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because the studio even then was like there's not there's no like boobs. There's no, you know, I don't know. Yeah. No drinking.
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Where's the completely random boob shot that doesn't seem to really have a purpose other than 1980s boobs,
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but he was right. I mean, Breakfast Club, you know, spoiler alert, is a way better movie. And everybody, you know,
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not just my opinion, I mean, it's rated better. It's that movie is held in
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extremely high regard. Yeah, totally agree. Do you have any additional any additional thoughts, Jamie?
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Well, here's what I like about John Hughes movies is they're teen comedies, so they're funny and they're teen, but
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John Hughes movies are interesting because they don't they don't insult the intelligence of teenagers.
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So, most teen comedies are just kind of dumb. Look at this. This is dumb. Look, boobies, slapstick, you know, it's
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there's not much to it. But John Hughes movies are smart because I think John
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Hughes knows that teenagers are smart. So they're funny, but they're also
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clever. They're smart and they don't insult the intelligence of teenagers. I think that's one of the main stays of
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John Hughes teen comedy is that I think he respects the people that he's making
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the movies for. That's why I like that's why I like them. They're very relatable and like relevant to the teen
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experience. Yeah. It's not through the lens of the adults looking at the teens. It's
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through the teens. Yeah. And it's not like, you know, super It's got It's got the teen comedy, but
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it's not like porkies where it's or something like that where it's just, hey, look, boobs and funny stuff and
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then that's the end of the movie. Teens like that stuff, right? They like slapstick and boobies, so let's just do
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that. I mean, you still got a lot of slapstick, maybe a little bit of of sexiness, but you also have it's well
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written, and like you say, I think it's they're they're written through the kind of the mind of a of the teenager. So, I
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that's why I dig that's what I think separates John Hughes teen comedies from others.
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Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah, well said, guys. Well, shall we get into the movie 16 Candles?
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[Music] All right, you guys. This came out May
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4th, 1984, which if we're keeping track, is over 40
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years ago. So, that's not awesome.
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Makes me feel very old. I think I just got another gray hair.
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It's PG. Yeah, cuz Yep. Yeah, that's wild. Now, a couple
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reasons. Because uh P R So, at the time, your choices
29:39
were R or PG. PG-13 did not yet exist, and it was only a few months
29:45
before it would exist. Yeah. What movie was it? We covered it. I covered Red Dawn. Yeah,
29:50
Red Dawn was the first one. Yeah. Mhm. So, yeah, it predates that. So, it
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was either going to be an R or PG. And apparently if you have more than two
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F-bombs, it's immediately an R. So they just removed one or removed a couple cuz
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there are I noted at least one F-bomb in 16 candles, but then it still has nudity
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and like underage binge drinking like
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very in your window. Yeah. And are is there sexual assault
30:24
going on here? What you know? So, there's a lot in this and it is a PG movie. Whereas Breakfast Club has no
30:32
nudity, none of that, but it has a lot of language. I mean, some adult
30:37
situations, I guess, but Breakfast Club is an R rated movie. Wild, eh? Yeah. See what happens when you drop too
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many fbombs. Yeah. Yeah. Nudity, sexual assault, possible sexual assault, you know, all that kind
30:50
of stuff. That's fine. But you drop too many fbombs, that's that's an R. We're coming down on the arc. You're over the
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line. You're over the line with that language. You can't drop an Fbomb while you're showing your boobies. Get rid of that
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Fbomb. Yeah. Keep Keep the boobs, though, please. Keep the boobs. That's okay. PG. Yeah. Well, you know, 16 Candles is not
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one of my go-tos. Like, I I always think of it, but I don't I can't quote it like
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I can Breakfast Club or something. So, I sort of conflate it and Pretty Pink in
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my head because I don't rewatch them as often. So, if you are similar to me and you need a
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refresh about 16 candles, here's the description of it. Samantha's life is going downhill fast. The 16-year-old has
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a crush on the most popular boy in school, and the geekiest boy in school has a crush on her. Her sister is
31:41
getting married, and with all the excitement, the rest of the family forgets that it's her 16th birthday. and
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add two sets of horrendously embarrassing and quite funny grandparents, a foreign exchange student
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named Long Duck Dong, and Behold the makings of a hilarious journey into young womanhood. This is 16 candles, and
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it has a 7.0 on IMDb. And to your point, Milo, about
Cast breakdown: Molly Ringwald & beyond
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John Hughes only directing uh, you know, a certain number of films, this was his
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directorial debut. and he also wrote the movie. Yeah, I'm with you, Katie, though. I do
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in my head overlap this with Pretty and Pink. Like when I watched it the other
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night, I was like, "Oh, the thing I'm thinking of must be in Pretty and Pink because it's not in this movie." They're
32:32
very, very similar films. And I think a lot of people think John Hughes directed Pretty and Pink, but he
32:39
didn't. He just wrote it. You're right. As we will get into, but there was a like almost every five minutes I'm like,
32:46
"Oo, wow. Yikes. This one's really problematic." But I do. Now, having said that, I'm
32:55
going to just have fun watching the movie. It's in the 80s. It's a different time, but like it's kind of fun to make
33:01
fun of how like wildly inappropriate and offensive, I guess, a lot of things were
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in this movie. Um, but well, let's start with some of our cast members. So, Samantha's played by Molly Ringwald and
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I'm pretty sure John Hughes wrote this movie for her with her in mind. Like, he
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had a head shot of her and then she went on to become his muse. I guess he had a picture of her headsh
33:28
shot too when he was doing work and he'd kind of look at her every once in a while like this is this is the girl I'm
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writing about. I think she was perfectly cast. I mean, cuz she's adorable, but she also has
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that kind of geeky quality to her to where you're like, okay, she's definitely not going to be like the
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super pretty popular girl. She's also still very attractive and just like I
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just think she's perfectly cast in this. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And then the
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geek is played by Anthony Michael Hall and they were both 15. They both of
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those two were actually 15 years old in this movie. We'll get into some of the ages which I uh is interesting. The
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the crush the the hot boy in this movie Jake Ryan is played by Michael Schuling
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and he didn't Do you guys know him from anything? No, this is literally the only thing I
34:27
know him from. Yeah, I think he went on to just have a regular life. He stopped working in
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1991. It looks like he was 23 when this movie was made,
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which I think that tracks. I buy that. Like he he looks like a a young man.
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Um I thought Anthony Michael Hall looked all of 11 in this movie. Didn't you think he
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looked so young? Yeah. Especially compared to now. Like he looks so different now than he did
34:55
back in the 80s. You know, like he played enough of these nerd roles where he's like, "No." Well, he finally went
35:01
through puberty is what happened. Him and like everything. Went through puberty. A late bloomer, you know.
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Yeah. But he's kind of a bit of a sexual predator as well. Speaking of sexual
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predators, he has a popular girlfriend and her name in the in the movie is Carolyn and she's
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played by Havland Morris and I guess she in real life has red hair.
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Mhm. But John Hughes only wanted to run one red head in the movie. So the her blonde hair is a wig.
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At least it didn't make her bleach. One red head in my movie, and that's Molly Ringwald. Yeah.
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Get your wig on, lady. Did you Did you guys recognize her from anything?
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Her name sounds very That's a very specific name. Um, but I think is most
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known for this, but she was also in Gremlins 2, The New Batch, and Home
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Alone 3. Ooh. So, she likes she likes to do them sequels.
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Yeah, looks like it. And you know, there's a John Hughes connection, I guess, there with Home Alone. But
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I did not recall that this family has four kids. No, I didn't remember any of that
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storyline with the It was the sister getting married. Yeah. But then there's also a younger
36:20
brother and a younger sister. And the younger brother oddly was like second
36:25
build in the movie. Weird. So he's Mike is his name. He's the younger brother. And he's played by
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Justin Henry and they were just trying to maximize his he had just come off
36:38
doing Kramer versus Kramer. It was like a popular kid actor and so they're like, "Oh, people will know his name."
36:46
You know, I did recognize him though when I when when I watched like, okay, this kid looks familiar, so I must have
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seen him in something else back then that he was in. He did. Yeah, you're right. And he was
36:56
pretty good. He was like a jerky little brother. Yeah, he played it well. Mhm. Very.
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Well, yeah. And it makes sense that they the family would have a lot of kids cuz they forgot their daughter's 16th birthday cuz of the older ones getting
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married. There's two others you got to kind of control. She's kind of in the middle. Everybody's forgetting about me.
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I'm Jan Brady here. Jan Brady. Well, six. Yeah. I don't
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know. I mean, forgetting your 16 like sweet 16 is like a thing, I
37:24
guess. I don't know. It never was for for me. Like, we didn't have, you know, I guess like debutants and in some areas
37:31
of the country or the world maybe there's a big deal around your sweet 16. Was was that a big deal where you guys
37:38
grew up? No. In our house, it was like any other birthday.
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Yeah. Plus, we were poor, so it's like, well, whatever we did do for birthdays, we're gonna do that again.
37:49
Yeah. I think you didn't have a Trans Am with a bow on it in the driveway waiting for you. Like, she wanted, she says,
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didn't even bother attempting to ask for a car when my 16th rolled around because I knew there was no chance in hell that
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was going to happen. Yeah, I did get a car, but it wasn't like we went looking for one. I remember going
38:08
like looking for one with my dad, but it wasn't there for me when I woke up on my 16th birthday.
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I know. Poor Katie. Bow on it. It was 10-year-old car. I mean,
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oh, well, that's cool. That That was What was it? What was it? Used car. It was a Ford Probe. Remember that?
38:26
Yeah, I remember the hell was a Ford Probe. It was kind of almost a roundish looking is kind of the way I would describe it.
38:32
It wasn't round, but it kind of had a It was a 1989 Ford Probe cuz like somewhere in the mid9s they changed the
38:38
look of them. But was it the kind of roundy looking one?
38:44
Did it kind of like like the hood? Yeah, the hood was very kind of roundish. And I'm pretty sure did the flash or the
38:50
headlights come up? No, I don't I can't remember. Anyway, when I hear that I just think when did
38:56
Ford get into the healthcare industry? And that's all I can think about. Yeah, it is a
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silly or space. Maybe they're into space now. Probing. Probe. Yeah, that is odd.
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When I think the Taurus eventually was kind of what the Ford Probe got to did, too, cuz they were very similar cars in
39:14
soul. I think when they dis No, Probe was a twodoor. It was kind of like a sporty Oh, car.
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Okay. Tours were really ugly. Wasn't the Ford Probe kind of ugly?
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Am I thinking of car? I clearly didn't think so cuz I got it was like sporty.
39:32
Look, when you get a car and someone else pays for it, doesn't matter what it looks like.
39:38
Yeah, you're right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I was picturing the right car, but it's a twodoor.
39:43
It is a twodoor. Yeah, you're right. The Taurus is a four-door, but I guess Yeah, it is more sporty than I was picturing it.
39:49
And yeah, I wanted a Sunfire. Those were like all the rage in the nine, like mid 90s for teenage cars.
39:56
Um, which are kind of ridiculous to think. And what were those other ones? A geo geostorm.
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Geometros. Popular like teen cars. The sky blue and the yellow colors.
40:08
Geos. Geos. They were so cool. And now you look at them, you're like, "Oh, look at that
40:13
little look at that little pill looking thing." Yeah. They must have changed the look a
40:20
bit for the probe though cuz like you had the really kind of circular bubbly front grill and then they had kind of a
40:26
sportier looking version that has like actual vents on the front and stuff. So
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Havlin Morris and so she plays Jake's girlfriend. They're both like in their early 20s, 23 and 24 respectively. And
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then the actor who plays Long Duck Dong and it's is it Ged or Getty? G E Dde
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Watanab. That's the actor's name. I don't know. I' I'd say G. Getty.
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G or Getty. Watanab. So that's the actor. He was 28 years
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old. Really? So he plays the exchange. He looks much younger. 28 years old. Mhm.
41:08
Yeah. That's that's kind of wild. Dude. Yeah. Yeah. Now this is one of the this is one of the biggest problem areas in the
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movie. I mean there are a lot actually but this is a big one and he said in an
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interview that he had a lot of anger publicly expressed toward him for playing this role for you know like diss
41:28
like this is such a negative stereotype for Asian men. Yeah. But Eert, Roger
41:35
Eert, came to his defense writing that he actually elevates his role from
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potentially being an offensive stereotype to high comedy. Um, but since then, a lot of people put
41:48
it in the same category as Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Yeah, I I I would say Mickey Rooney is
41:54
probably more so because he's actually not Asian, right? towards this guys. But the thing is, he
42:00
was a young starting out actor. You didn't have a lot of credits prior to this. So, as an actor, you're like,
42:06
"You're going to pay me to be in a movie?" Yeah. Okay, sure. I'll do it. Well, and you're not going to blow me up
42:12
with a missile or something and not make me the bad guy cuz that's a lot of Asian-American male actors. That was
42:17
kind of the like the roles you got back then. Yeah. And he he doesn't have an accent like he's born in the United States. I can't
42:24
remember. I want to say like Utah, somewhere like really bland like that. Uh he had a friend from Korea and he
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said he just mimicked his accent. Nice. So here's the thing about the in early
42:39
and mid 80s is you could still make fun of people in offensive ways like black
42:45
people, women, homosexuals. You could still make fun of and and and you can't
42:52
get away with that now unless you're an Asian male. I was kind of noticing that
42:58
that it still seems even today like it's okay to make fun of Asian males. If you
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make fun of anybody else, it's offensive. But you'll see still see stuff out there that's very kind of
43:09
stereotypical. And I thought that's interesting that the Asian male hasn't really been
43:17
protected in the way that all these other groups of people had in our current kind of world. So, I think it's
43:24
specifically males. I think it's specifically Asian males. And you'll even see comedians, Asian
43:30
male comedians, they still play it up sometimes. You'll still see it. And even like at the high school, like with my
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son, he has a lot of Asian male friends and they were born here, but they still seem to get a lot of that kind of thing.
43:44
So, I was thinking that's interesting that is this character perpetuating that
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stereotype? Yeah. But that's one of the few stereotypes that can still be around
43:55
today. I don't know if it'd be to this level though. I mean, imagine seeing a modern
44:00
movie made to this level. Like literally like every time he shows up, a dong ring, you like thatong the gong. His his
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name is Long Dong. Exactly. And the your last name Dong, your first
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name Long. Ooh. Oh, and he even doesn't he have like karate gear on in in one scene randomly.
44:24
Yeah. And they they continually call him China. The China. The China.
44:29
They have him using some of it's kind of funny like he is he turns the silverware around to use the ends of it as chop.
44:38
I guess the scene with the exercise bike was his idea, the actor's idea, because he found it in the home they were
44:44
filming in and had an idea. So, he did I think probably it could have been worse, I guess, is
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what I'm saying. I think he did make things funny, but yeah.
44:57
Yeah, there was a lot really. And like they they even insinuated that the grandparents were kind of
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using him for like labor. He does a great job mowing the lawn.
45:11
They Well, they listed like four things that they're like, "Yeah, he's learning he's learning all these American things and it's learning how to wash the dishes
45:18
him doing their chores." Yeah. Yeah. But hey, he gets the girl that he was after, right?
45:24
Mhm. So, there you go. Yeah. And Molly Molly Ringwald playing Samantha is jealous. She's like, "He's
45:30
here five minutes and he finds love and I've been here my whole life." Exactly. Yeah. It it's definitely a
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character you have to put into the context of when it was made. You certainly can't put it with our modern
45:42
sensibilities in I am surprised though. I mean I was a toddler in 84 but I guess watching it I
45:51
I was kind of surprised that it was so blatant in the 80s. Like
45:57
it's not the 50s. I don't know. And it's kind of weird for John Hughes, too, who
46:03
in general is pretty, you know, he plays stuff for laughs, but in general plays, you know, like we were saying earlier,
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writes teens reasonably, respectably. But then he throws this character in there that's kind of a bit out of place.
46:16
Just for last. Just Yeah. Like, why why did the grandparents bring
46:22
Yeah, you're right. It is kind of just just for last. And I He is notorious for
46:27
having all-white casts. Mhm. And then when there is someone that is not white, they're a caricature.
46:36
Yeah. Not great, John Hughes. Let's let's work on this in your next life. How about Come on, Sean. Yeah.
46:42
So, the grandparents I thought were [ __ ] hilarious. Paul Douly is her dad. The grandparents, I guess. I'm not
46:48
listing their their names, but you all know Paul Douly. He's extremely famous. He plays her dad. And then her mom is
46:55
played by Carlin Glenn. which I didn't know her from anything,
47:03
but she is the real life mother of an actress in another John Hughes movie.
47:09
You guys know Mary Master Stewart Antonio. What? What?
47:15
How do I say? Yes. Jamie Stewart. Mary Stewart Masterson. Did you look this up at some point? How
47:20
did you know that? I I looked it up at some point. Yeah. Oh, wow. Good job.
47:26
Jeez. Ready for trivia night. That's funny because you were combining I knew where you were going. You were
47:32
combining Mary Stewart Masterson with Mary Antonio.
47:38
Master Antonio. Master Antonio. Yeah. It's like hard to say. Yeah.
47:44
I was confusing all of those, but you get what I I I was getting there. Yeah. And then her sister who's getting
47:50
married is played by Blanch Baker which I think so her sister's name is Jenny in
47:56
this and she's played by Blanch Baker and Baker is the actual actress's last
48:03
name too. I mean should we talk about that marriage? Like she's basically marrying into an abusive relationship.
48:09
Well, first of all, yeah. Who is she marrying? Who was he? Who's the actor? I I recognized him. I can't remember his
48:15
name now, but I knew I knew it when I watched it. I can't think of his name. John Capalos is the actor's name
48:21
and he's the janitor in the Breakfast Club. Oh, that's Yep. Yeah. And he was in another one other John
48:27
Hughes movie cuz he's like one of the one of the like two actors who was in three John Hughes movies.
48:34
He was in Weird Science also. I think he's the bar that they go to in Chicago.
48:40
Yeah. Yeah. I like him as an actor, but that I think they should have expanded the scenes with his parents. The dinner
48:48
with his parents. I thought that was hilarious. Yeah, you're right. They should have had another scene with them.
48:56
Oh, and there's another thing like they offensively call him the oily bow hunk.
49:04
I wish somebody would call me that. That's awesome. The oily bow hunk. car. Jamie, we can start calling you that if you want.
49:12
You know what I actually remember? I actually do and people for let's see how would you describe this is like a
49:18
Midwestern like offensive slang term for um like Eastern European countries like
49:26
Oh, okay. Czechos like at the time it was Czechoslovakia, right?
49:32
They used to call them Hungary probably oily bow hunks. Am I right? Am I Am I getting that
49:38
right? It's like We're from We're from the West Coast, so I'd never heard that other than in this
49:43
film. That's the only place that sounds like Did you guys not know what that meant? [ __ ]
49:49
I thought it was kind of got it based on what they said and who they were saying it to, right? I was thinking like a like a a buff dude
49:55
who's kind of oiled down and he's a boh. He's a hunk, right? See, I was thinking kind of buff, but like oily and he's like sweats and eats
50:03
a lot of oily foods and stuff. So, I was thinking like gross oily. I didn't really understand the oily bit because
50:08
like the way they portrayed the parents were more Italian stereotypes. Yeah. But yeah, he's his name is Rudy and
50:16
their last name is like something Czech and so in the Midwest which John Hughes this like set in Chicago. So in the
50:22
Midwest there are a lot of immigrants from those Eastern European countries like I'm thinking of like Czech
50:28
uh Hungary probably a couple others. Yeah, those immigrants
50:35
like the slang offensive term was boh. Oh, so I better not go around calling
50:42
myself. Don't Is [ __ ] okay without the oily part? Could we just call Jamie [ __ ]
50:48
No, it's like it's like saying [ __ ] What's [ __ ] It's a slang. Well, that one I know that's term for
50:55
Italians. Yeah, I definitely know that one. Like offensive slang. Yeah, it's it's in the same vein. But yeah, like the the
51:03
scene with his parents because they were over the top, but they seemed more again like I like um like a really
51:09
caricaturish mob family cuz he and the even the Godfather music
51:16
comes on. Yeah. Like when he's like, "Oh, my business. It's a little this, a little
51:21
that." And the mom made up. Can't talk about it too much. I might
51:27
have to kill you. Come on. Well, so where were you going with the she's marrying into an abusive
51:33
relationship? Well, because he's really I keep calling you guys. Well, like he's really insulting towards
51:39
her, you know? He says something at some point to her and even the dad kind of
51:45
has a reaction to it like her dad. I don't even remember what he says to her, but he just kind of comes across as
51:51
like very demeaning towards her. Well, yeah, cuz his mom says something like,
51:57
"Oh, he's gonna have to stop now that he's marrying her. He'll have to stop with the sleeping
52:03
around." Something like that. Something like that. And then I think he says, "I can still look."
52:08
Yeah. Nothing wrong with looking or whatever he says. But yeah, just kind of like his attitude and stuff. So maybe
52:14
not like physically abusive, but more like kind of emotionally abusive is the way like he's going to put her down a
52:20
lot. I mean, he basically does kidnap her at the church because she's like completely out of it and he has to like
52:25
physically get her into the Yeah. Relaxing's great with the dress
52:30
hanging out the car. Yeah. And they even like
52:35
And the parents are like, "Come on, go get married. Get out of the house. We don't care that you're all hopped up on meds."
52:41
No, they're trying to offload one of those kids. Yeah. Have her be somebody else's issue.
52:46
We need the space. Too many kids in this house. Indeed. Um, but like her being on
52:52
her period, one of the kids is even like, "Oh, that should make for an interesting honeymoon or something like I'm like,
52:58
"Wow." I don't know. I don't know. I think he says that the husband says that,
53:03
doesn't he? I think it's the husband they say because they overhear it and then he makes some kind of comment or
53:09
something when he's standing there in the church waiting like make very interesting. Also, four muscle relaxers for your
53:16
period. Yeah. I mean, come on. Bring them on. I'll take them. I guess.
53:21
Yeah. On your wedding day, you got something else going on there. That's what I'm saying. But I mean, seriously, who needs a
53:28
muscle relaxer for their period? And then four of them. Four of them. Mhm. Well, Milo and I can't comment on that,
53:35
but we'll take your word for it. I mean, I'll take I'll take the I'll take the muscle relaxants, but can't
53:40
comment on other I'll take all the drugs. Exactly. Also, I don't know. Again, maybe this is
53:47
I feel like a thing back in the day. People got married very quickly. She's like trying to say that I actually like
53:54
this one longer than I like most of them and he loves me. It's been six months
54:01
with the same person. Yeah. Six months clearly. And the wedding is already planned like
54:08
the six months. Six months in Yeah. And they're from meeting to
54:14
marriage. Six months. Yeah. When it's love, you just know that you got to get married right away.
54:20
Did people in general in 1984 get married sooner? Do you remember that at all?
54:27
That's what I wondered. That's what I I kind of think so. But with though,
54:33
I still think that I mean, unless you're pregnant, I feel like that happened a lot. People got married. Pregnancy. Yeah.
54:38
Yeah. Yeah. Maybe she was pregnant and they just didn't tell anybody. Oh, no. Cuz she had her
54:43
her period. Yeah. Never mind. debunked. Yeah, debunked.
54:50
Hey, we know how biology works on the Retro Made Show. I really like I really like Farmer Ted,
54:57
though, the geek. And here's why. He's such a geek, but he's just got this awesome confidence.
55:06
Like, yo, what's up, baby? How you doing? That's the I love that kid.
55:11
some swagger, but he's he's he's just geeking out, but he's he he's comfortable in his own
55:17
skin. He's like, "Yeah, my geek, sure thing, but I'm awesome sauce. I'm a I'm a little bottle of awesome sauce, and I
55:23
know it." That's why I really like his character. I like I like the actor,
55:28
Anthony Michael Hall, who plays him, cuz he does look like kind of a little geek. He's 15, but he hasn't hit puberty yet.
55:34
And he's a geek, but he's just owning himself, you know? He's like the leader of his little geek group.
55:40
I would imagine John Cusack would be the leader of the group. I mean, he's John Cusack.
55:45
I was thinking the same thing, Milo. So, yes, you guys, John Cusack plays a friend and his sister Joan is in this,
55:51
too, which I also could be considered an offensive character.
55:57
She wear she has a back brace and is played for hilarity and it kind of was
56:03
trying to drink water out of the fountain. She can't drink a beer. She can't drink water. She is just like she was she's
56:11
funny. I I love Joan Cusack as an actress. So even seeing her in this tiny role. But
56:17
yeah, and the headgear the Anthony Michael Hall has like just back braces
56:22
and headgear in general like how how ' 80s. So does he carry his headgear around
56:29
with him though? But on the headgear is he wakes up in the car with the girl the next day, right? And he's wearing his
56:35
headgear. So, did he go home and get it at some point or does he just carry it around with him just in case he happens
56:41
to pass out somewhere? Great question. Here's how I'm answering it. They were This is like a Friday
56:47
night and they were all sleeping over at one of the geeks house, remember? Cuz later he goes over there. So, they were
56:53
having a sleepover. So, he probably had it with him. Okay. Like in prep for the sleepover. That's
56:58
how I'm answering it. Sure, I'll allow it. But isn't that such a teenager thing though? John Hughes gets it. you have
57:05
braces or you have a back brace or you have headgear. I remember my son for a while had this big thing on his face to
57:13
move his jaws or whatever. Just like Uhhuh. It's just just an awkward time, right?
57:19
Like your parents are trying to make sure your body isn't disfigured, so they're giving you these things to while
57:26
you're growing. You're a teenager. You got braces and back braces and and head gear and all this stuff. That's a very
57:32
teenager thing. And then you got this on top of that. You got to have your acne medicine. It's an awkward time, man.
57:39
It's the worst time. And of course, every kid at school makes fun of you for it. Yeah. That's why I like Johnny this in this
57:45
movie. I hadn't seen it in a while, but that's why I really like it because it captures a lot of the awkwardness of teenagers, right? That being a teenager,
57:52
like you worry about the what the boy thinks about you. Unlike when you're our age, you're like, I don't give a [ __ ]
57:57
what that guy thinks about me. Go pound sand. You're right. cuz I'm so far removed
58:04
from being 15 uh that I'm like I don't care. Like she's concerned about not filling out
58:09
her dress. Like her boobs, like she has boobs, but they're not big boobs. And she's like jealous of the older, you
58:16
know, the senior girls and was the boy like me? And even in the the scene where
58:22
she's like writing the note, uh it's like an anonymous questionnaire about basically sexual things and she's
58:28
answering it and then she's supposed to pass it back. And the
58:34
massive embarrassment, I would die if the boy that I had a crush on read the
58:40
note that I just said I wanted to have sex with him in the note. I mean, just
58:46
disaster waiting. Yeah. So, I had forgotten and it really took me back to
58:51
being 15. Yeah. You're cuz you're so self-conscious and I see it in my teen son. He like really like he cares if he
58:59
smells or not and he's always wearing like cologne and stuff. I'm like, "Dude, you smell like
59:05
younger. The house smells like a like a like a wh house in here. What's going on?" Like,
59:12
are you going to sell some watches? Jesus. But he's like, "I don't want to smell bad. I'm going to go see my girlfriend." Dude, how could you
59:17
possibly smell bad? You took a bath in cologne. Just can you ease up on that? Cuz back then I remember though I didn't
59:24
want to smell either. Now I'm like, "Yeah, I'm all right. Good enough. Go a couple more days. It's all good."
59:30
No, I I fully support I fully support teenagers wearing the cologne cuz I remember loving the scent
59:37
that my boyfriend wore and like when I'd wear his shirt, you know, I'd take his shirt home and like I'm like, "Oh, it
59:42
smells like him." You know, but they care. They care that teenagers care. That's why I like this movie. It
59:48
took me back to like teenagerhood where you care. They all care about stuff like that. And it's nice, you know. I And
59:56
they're awkward and it is nice, but it also makes you really insecure. I never want to go to that
1:00:02
level of insecurity ever again. You know, unless you're farmer Ted the geek, man.
1:00:07
He doesn't have any insecurity. He's like, "Here's my headgear. Whatever. I'm awesome." He's also almost predator. guy does not
1:00:14
take no for an answer. Come on. Like, how many times does she say no? She's like, "No, no, no. Get off me." No. You
1:00:22
know, and then he's like, "Oh, sure. I'll take your passed out, drunk girlfriend home. Just throw in the No
1:00:28
problem." He's more worried about driving the car than the girl. You know, it's like, "That's a nice car. I can't
1:00:34
drive that. Can't I just throw your girlfriend, you know, in on the bus?" On the bus.
1:00:40
So, yeah. Like this night they're at a dance from from Anthony Michael Hall's
1:00:46
character. He makes a bet. This is just wild. The events that happen that he
1:00:52
does that he should feel responsible for. He bets his loser friends that he
1:00:57
is basically going to have sex that night right then and there with Samantha. And they somehow end up in the
1:01:05
shop room in a half-built car. Yeah. Milo, he comes on to her like
1:01:11
tired mauls her and she's like get off and he's like I think he maybe even said I'm
1:01:18
sorry and then she said it's okay. He takes it's okay as permission to start
1:01:25
doing it again. And because he actually does like her and I think he does respect her, he tells her this little
1:01:33
secret that he has with his friends and she gave him the panties to use.
1:01:39
cuz she likes him too. Actually, I think she likes him too. She doesn't want to get it on with him, but I think she
1:01:44
respects his tenacity. I don't know. So then all these like freshman boys pay
1:01:50
to see the panties. Exactly. $1. You want to see the panties? $1.
1:01:56
Which, by the way, what? How? How are they buying this as proof of sex? He
1:02:03
could have just bought those. Yeah. Yeah. or found him somewhere or
1:02:08
ran to the store. Yeah. Could have got him anywhere. So then later in the evening, he's in a
1:02:15
car with yet another woman after trading the panties for her.
1:02:20
That's right. They make a deal. Tell us about the deal, Milo. Tell us about this
1:02:26
the deal that Jake He trades his girl. This is just wild. Yeah. He's literally like his
1:02:33
girlfriend's passed out drunk and he finds Anthony Michael Hall
1:02:40
in his house and he's Anony's making him a drink and and
1:02:45
mentions the panties and he's like, "Hey, I'll trade you those give me the panties and I'll let you take my
1:02:51
girlfriend home." And he's like, "Well, I can't do that." And she's like, "Oh, no. She's passed out. She wouldn't know me from you. It's fine. Go for it."
1:03:01
And then he even tells her I'm him. He's me to now.
1:03:06
Yes. So she wakes up say it. But did you mean did was he giving permission to
1:03:13
sleep with her? That's the way I was taking it. I think it was implied. I It was definitely say it.
1:03:20
Yeah. So once they dump her in the back of the car, she wakes up for a second. She
1:03:26
looks at him and Jake's like, "What? Who? Who are you?" And Jake's like, "He's me and I'm you. He's me." And
1:03:34
she's like, "Okay, that's good." And passes back out and he's like, "Yeah." Cuz even even, you know, the geek is
1:03:39
kind of like, "Are you sure?" And Jake's like, "Yeah, that's good. I I've I've
1:03:44
got a new girl that I like now, so do whatever you want with this one. She's used up. I've had her before."
1:03:50
Yeah. Yeah. I've lost. And I think he's sick of all her partying and stuff. And maybe he wants a
1:03:55
girl who's like a little more stable, maybe maybe nicer. And everybody knows,
1:04:01
someone I can love and care about that's, you know, not maybe he's maturing.
1:04:07
Yeah, maybe he's getting he's maturing as a guy. Yeah, it's very mature to ditch your
1:04:12
drunk girlfriend in a car with some geek, implying that the geek can have sex with her.
1:04:18
He's sick of her, man. Whatever you want, kid. It It doesn't matter to me. Wheeling and dealing. She, you know, he
1:04:25
fair and square, man. Uh, also, did you guys notice that when they're putting it
1:04:30
takes two of them, they're collaborating on this kidnapping extravagana, putting
1:04:36
her in the car with another six-pack of beer. This is the end of the night. The
1:04:42
party's over. And he's like, "Here's some roies for you."
1:04:47
Yep. And she continues to drink it. Was he doing that on purpose to maintain her level of
1:04:53
I think so he's like you don't want her like it was again implied you don't want her waking up so just you know too much
1:04:59
so just keep feeding her beers have a few for yourself and it's all good and drive the car that
1:05:05
you really barely know how to drive without your driver's license. Yeah, it's all good. Hey, but as long as you
1:05:11
don't drop those fbombs, that's fine. Don't drop any PG. Again, you guys, yes, this is a PG-rated
1:05:18
movie. It is a take your kids to see it. Underage drinking, sexual assault,
1:05:26
but they don't have it. They only have one fbomb. It's okay. But he needs proof of this. So he goes to his friends and asks if they have
1:05:32
film in the camera. Yes. So 80s. Yeah. Again, very inappropriate.
1:05:40
Hey, look. I got this drunk girl. Let's take my picture with her. Yeah. And then
1:05:46
they assume that they've already slept together and they're like, "Two in one night. You're a legend."
1:05:53
Yeah. This like 11-year-old looking boy. Yeah. He's such a stud. Such a stud. No
1:06:01
longer the geek. He's the stud. The alpha geek. He's the alpha beta. That's why That's why he is.
1:06:07
There's a few other really inappropriate things that I wanted to I'm sure that you that you caught. One is on more than
1:06:15
one occasion they use the f word that rhymes with bag.
1:06:21
Oh. Oh yeah. Multiple times. Like as an insult. Do you I seriously do remember that word
1:06:29
being used as lame like to mean lame. Yeah. I remember that from my youth as
1:06:34
well. Like we didn't throw it around as we Yeah. It was it it was to the level
1:06:39
of calling somebody lame or you know a geek or a loser you know like you would say it to your friends like oh
1:06:46
you know kind of stuff like we it it back then it wasn't
1:06:52
necessarily like a hard insult. It was a kind of a soft insult. But it's we're so
1:06:57
far it's Isn't it funny how once it's removed from your vernacular it stands
1:07:03
out so much when you do hear it again? Mhm. That and
1:07:10
again all always all white people in these movies when Samantha is talking
1:07:16
about what would be her perfect you know her she's complaining to her friend that her family she says my family [ __ ]
1:07:22
forgot my birthday and her friend was like well what did what did you want a trans Aam in the driveway with a bow
1:07:27
around it or something and then she's like talking about her perfect birthday about like a a cute guy and a transam or
1:07:36
something or and a black one and her friend goes, "A black guy?" Like like as
1:07:44
if that so shocked that she would actually want to like date a black boy
1:07:51
and she was like, "God, no. The Trans Am a pink boy." Do you remember her saying
1:07:58
that? I don't remember that. I must have missed that one. Yeah. Oh, wow. That's funny.
1:08:04
It was like in the school hallway and I was like, "Oh my god." Yeah. Where would you even find a black kid
1:08:10
anyway? Cuz you're in the part of Chicago suburbs that they don't even Maybe that's why her friend was so
1:08:16
shocked. There aren't any black people in within miles of us. You're going to go up to the south side.
1:08:21
Like where are you going to go? Yeah. Oh my god. But then she said no. a black car, a pink boy
1:08:30
to make nice and white pink kind of. Yeah, cuz they were talking about like pink or I don't know somehow like mixing
1:08:37
up the boy in the car. I don't know. There was a Mr. T reference.
1:08:43
Oh, what was that? This is 1984. And I pity a fool. Mhm. So Rocky,
1:08:50
I don't know. Actually, the So the A team would have already The A team would be on a team. Rocky Rocky Rocky 3 would have
1:08:56
been out. Yeah. Yeah. 84. I think maybe even his serial was out by then.
1:09:02
Mr. T serial. Mhm. That was kind of big back then. Yeah, he was quite popular then.
1:09:07
Yeah. He's wild. Did you So, here's the question. So, if unless I miss something. So, you know,
1:09:13
when the when Jake goes to her house to find her and Long Duck Dong answers the
1:09:19
door, he's got a black eye and he starts freaking out like Jake had hit him and
1:09:26
they say there's a conversation where he's like, "Are you going to hit me again?" or something like that, but there's no You beat me or something.
1:09:32
Yeah, you beat me. But there's no scene. So, they obviously cut a scene out of the film at some point in time where
1:09:38
Jake beats up Long Duck Dong. 100%. I actually rewound it, Milo, cuz
1:09:44
I'm like, "Wait, did I miss something?" Yeah. Yeah. So, it must I'm guessing it must have happened at the party, baby, or
1:09:50
something. But, so Jake also was a dick for besides pimping out his girl, he
1:09:57
also beats up the Asian foreign exchange student. Yeah. For no reason. What did he do?
1:10:04
He's just He might have did something obnoxious. But yeah, that's the thing. I want that I want to find out what that cut scene is. It's a hate crime.
1:10:10
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right, Milo. But I got to say, very dreamy.
1:10:17
This Jake. Mhm. Did you guys not think so?
1:10:22
In fact, that's why they chose him because actually, I guess he was so shy in the audition and they were like, "We
1:10:29
don't know if this guy's going to work." But they were all like, "God, this guy's dreamy, though. We got to work with this guy somehow."
1:10:34
But he's so But he's so pretty. Yeah, I guess. And he really he really I mean, he he
1:10:41
Yeah. Jake from from Mhm. I'd have a crush on him if I were a 16-year-old redhead in a suburban
1:10:48
Chicago school. I'd be like, "Damn, he's like the perfect ' 80s rich kid."
1:10:54
This movie also checks all the boxes. There's a dance that they go to. There's a party at the
1:10:59
rich kid's house. There's nerds and jocks that, you know, so I don't know why that's like a trope in ' 80s movies,
1:11:07
but they seem to always have beef with each other. I I don't There must been a cut.
1:11:13
Remember my high school? The nerds and jocks did not. Nerds and jocks. Yep. A real thing actually.
1:11:18
Exactly. Because like in real Oh, real life. It's real. in real life like it seems like the jocks would like
1:11:26
you're not enough for me to even care about. That seems like how they would
1:11:31
you must have went to later the nerds got wealthy like working for tech companies and the jocks are
1:11:37
like I don't know selling insurance so the nerds won out in the long run. True.
1:11:42
The nerds got the trophy now. The geeks were right. Well, where I was
1:11:48
going with that, Milo, is like Jake's friend even when they're in the gym, which was a weird scene. They're like
1:11:54
doing pull-ups or something, and his friend uh basically when he's asked
1:12:00
about, "Do you know Samantha Baker? What do you think about her?" And his friend is like, "I don't."
1:12:06
Like that's that's how they think of people that aren't of their caliber or whatever.
1:12:12
Yeah. In their in their clique or their group. Yeah. I think you find a lot less groups
1:12:18
that way with today's kids. But it's weird cuz like my kids, my son's a
1:12:23
teenager and I'll drop him off at school or whatever or he's hanging out with friends and I'm like it used to be
1:12:29
geeks. The geeks like you see in this movie were kind of a subset of of the kids, but seems like there's so many
1:12:36
more of them now. Like maybe they're the majority now. There's a lot of weird
1:12:42
kids, man. That's a good point. There's so many subg genres.
1:12:49
Kids kids have figured out they're like, "Wait a minute. If I'm a geek, I'm going to be rich and successful and get the
1:12:54
hot girl to whereas if I'm a jock, I'm going to spend the rest of my life remembering that time in high school
1:13:00
when I, you know, threw the football touchdown or whatever. You know, peak in high school.
1:13:05
You're going to be success. They're thinking ahead. Yeah, they're thinking ahead. You're going to be Uncle Rico or or Al
1:13:12
Bundy. Exactly. Yes. Al Bundy. Exactly.
1:13:18
Be selling shoes. Remember that time you threw a touchdown in high school? Selling shoes. Jocks. You lo You lost.
1:13:26
You lose. There's a few other people that I wanted to point out. I was looking for it. The
1:13:33
reverend I did see. So, in the wedding scene when Jenny,
1:13:38
she's like needs to sit down in the pew cuz she's so out of it on muscle relaxer. She's like, I just need to sit
1:13:43
and rest for a minute. She sits next to Agnes Belalushi who is that actress in
1:13:49
the sitting next to her is John and James mom. Wow. So, they got her a little gig in
1:13:56
the film. the the priest or the reverend is played by Bill Murray's brother,
1:14:02
Brian Doyle Murray. I thought that was fun. The less famous Murray, but he's still
1:14:07
in a lot of stuff. Brian Doyle Murphy, if you look at he's shows up in a lot of films in support of
1:14:12
his IMDb page is a mile long. He's in so Yeah, he's in so many things. You
1:14:18
remember Groundhog Day? He was like the the mayor. Well, that's Bill's movie. Like
1:14:23
yeah, of course he's going to Bill's like just in so many things. Okay. Yeah, I guess that I mean that
1:14:30
tracks. Also, Jamie Girtz, did you guys see her? She's one of friends.
1:14:35
That that's like she just had a little cameo kind of a little role, but I I was so I was surprised to see because I I
1:14:41
love Jamie Girtz. I think she's kind of the underrated kind of movie Dream Girl of the 80s.
1:14:47
Um so it was cool to see her in there. I'm I'm a big fan.
1:14:53
I am too. Now, we already covered Ferris Buer's Day Off and so we were talking
1:14:59
about the there was meaning behind all the license plates in Ferris Buer's Day
1:15:04
Off and that seems to be a thing that John Hughes does. Well, this being his first movie that he directed, did you
1:15:10
guys see that? So Jake's car, which is a pretty sweet car, the license plate was 21850,
1:15:17
which is John Hugh's birthday, February 18th, 1950.
1:15:23
And Molly Ringwald's birthday is also February 18th. Oh. Oh, wow. Didn't know that.
1:15:30
That house. Yeah. Again, I don't know. I think I'm again, this is my conflating pretty and
1:15:37
pink, I think, with 16 candles because I recalled them being poor and they're
1:15:43
definitely not poor. That was a giant house. I guess there's six bedrooms. It
1:15:49
was a brick house in northwestern Evston, Illinois. And in 2006 it sold
1:15:56
for1 and a4 million which today would be
1:16:01
like I don't know $3 million probably. Yeah, probably. Yeah, actually probably tripled.
1:16:08
I mean it sounds like a lot but these days it's not a lot but in 2006 it
1:16:13
probably was. It's a lot in a Chicago suburb.
1:16:18
Yeah. That house probably would cost about $3 million probably. Yeah.
1:16:23
Yeah. Houses are expensive. Extreme. But her room wasn't in that house. Her
1:16:29
room was in like a part of the the gym that they were in where they filmed
1:16:34
dances and stuff in the school which they tore down and and now it's a community college. But I guess that high
1:16:42
school that they did it in had been closed for four years. So they filmed it in there. But her room was was a set in
1:16:47
there. And I guess Molly Ringwald had a lot of her own stuff from her room in that fake room. So you get a little a
1:16:55
little insight into what Molly Ringwald, the real Molly Ringwald's room might have looked like cuz she had a lot of
1:17:00
her own stuff in there. Yeah. And like her binder, like a lot of band names and stuff that she was into
1:17:06
on her written on her school binder and stuff like that. Yeah. And in fact, I guess she and Anthony Michael Hall didn't get along at
1:17:12
first. So John Hughes sent them off to go buy music together at the mall and they ended up like liking the same music
1:17:20
and one of the bands she had written on there was this kind of one of the bands that they liked. So they kind of bonded
1:17:25
over music which worked out cuz they were the only two that were underage. So when they
1:17:33
were shooting this movie, let's see, I think it was in Skoi, they were, you know, being housed at this
1:17:39
hotel in Skoi and on the weekends, everybody else that was of age went to clubs and Molly
1:17:47
Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall being 15 couldn't do that. So I guess, you know, after they bonded at over music,
1:17:53
they crashed bar mitzvah at the hotel. Yes.
1:17:58
Hang out with a fun thing to do. It sounds like a very John Hughes John Hughes movie plotline. Like it does.
1:18:05
A couple 15year-old kids who can't go out because everybody's an adult. They go crash bar miffas. You can make a John
1:18:11
Hughes movie about that. That's the whole premise of a John Hughes movie. Also, listeners, I would like to point
1:18:18
out that the reason I know that is because I started reading the book that I mentioned a couple episodes ago
1:18:25
that I told you I would give you some tidbits from. You couldn't ignore me if you tried the Brat Pack John Hughes and
1:18:31
their impact on a generation by Susanna Gora. So yeah, fun fun fact.
1:18:37
Oh, that looks like a good one. Did you guys see that the note uh the
1:18:42
embarrassing like she's writing it's like asking questions. Have you done it? Who do you want to do it with? Like very
1:18:48
um at the top it says confidential but confidential is spelled wrong. I didn't notice that.
1:18:55
That's awesome. Yeah, it's very typical, too. I don't know if that was like an accident or if they
1:19:00
purposefully did that. Oh, that'd be funny. Either way, it's awesome. Yeah. Either way, it's so it's it's so
1:19:06
perfect. Yeah. I don't think note passing was a thing in German schools, by the way, cuz
1:19:12
when we watched this, my wife said something about the note and she's like, "What?" And I'm like, "Yeah, they're like writing notes and
1:19:18
passing notes in class." And so, she didn't get what they were doing. She was like, "Is that like a quiz or something?" I'm like, "No, they're not
1:19:23
going to ask that on a quiz." Like, it's like She's passing notes to her friend. Yeah.
1:19:29
I mean, it was a quiz, but like a friend quiz. It was a friend quiz. Yeah. Yeah. But you pass all kinds of notes in
1:19:34
class. That was totally a thing. That's how you That's how you texted back then. You'd pass notes, but they didn't do it in German schools.
1:19:41
I guess serious over there. Nine. Yeah. Nine. No notes. Slapped with a
1:19:47
ruler if you get caught. Just passing a note. We didn't build MercedesBenzes by passing notes. Pay attention. You study.
1:19:55
busy being a serious civilization. Yeah. I like how one of the questions was like, "Have you ever had sex?" And one
1:20:03
was and it was kind of like maybe or something like that or how do you know? How do you tell? She said sort of or kind of or something
1:20:10
or I think so. I think I think it was like, you know, that's that I feel like is
1:20:15
such a pre-teen teen thing to be like, well, I've done some stuff, but you
1:20:23
know, I I don't know. Is that sex? Yeah,
1:20:28
that's pretty funny. So, I do very much like the the person that they cast as Jake Ryan. However, in
1:20:35
an alternate universe, I would have loved this, too. You're never going to guess in a million years who was super
1:20:42
close to getting it. It was down to two people are Michael Schafield or Schaing
1:20:50
and Vo Mortensson. Yeah. I would I would watch that. I
1:20:55
Yeah, is a star. He is I I adore Yeah. I mean, and I He's
1:21:02
an exception for me cuz I'm not a blonde. Not into the blondes. But dude, VGO Mortonson.
1:21:08
Yeah. Yeah. I guess Molly really wanted him to to be the guy, too, cuz she was like
1:21:13
that that guy is like, I like this guy. She's like, if I had to choose, I'd hit that.
1:21:20
Yeah. I think the studio wanted VGO, too. But John, you know, he he put the
1:21:25
hammer down and he said, "No, it's going to be show thing." John. Yeah. I mean, I guess he has more of that kind
1:21:33
of high school jock preppy look versus
1:21:38
Yeah. Like he definitely has probably more of the look of that kind that Yeah. Drives a Porsche
1:21:43
thing. Whereas, although Vgo maybe could have done like the the blonde Ivy League look too,
1:21:49
maybe. I don't know. Yeah. I'm not mad at I'm not mad at R.J. Ryan here. So, but I I I would like the
1:21:55
alternate reality, too. Maybe he could have been in the sequel because as we always talk about in these '8s
1:22:01
movies, there's always talk of sequels or remakes or whatnot. There was a potential sequel in 2005 and
1:22:09
Molly Ringald actually was interested in doing it. It was going to be 32 candles,
1:22:16
you know, doubling. Well, now it'd be more like 50 something candles or something.
1:22:23
60 or whatever. 60 candles. No, she's probably not that much older than us. I don't know.
1:22:30
67 candles. Like 67 and a half candles. Now you could collect social security.
1:22:35
And people are like, "Oh yeah, we can collect social security now." And it's a whole movie about Molly Ringwald
1:22:40
collecting social security. She's like party time.
1:22:46
Jake's gone. And there's a new guy in the old folks home that she's got a crush on. Oh, it's VGO.
1:22:53
Yeah, VGO's back. I'd watch it. I like it. Start writing. Start writing.
1:22:59
We didn't talk about the music and I wanted to bring him up uh because he's a
1:23:04
very frequent collaborator with John Hughes. The guy who did the music is Ira Neworn and we talked about him on the
1:23:10
Ferris Buer's Day Off episode because he also did that music. But Weird Science, Uncle Buck, Planes, Trans Auto
1:23:16
Automobiles, and also Ace Ventura and Mrats. Mrs. Even.
1:23:22
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It I mean again
1:23:27
like when you think ' 80s and you think his mo his film, John Hughes films, you
1:23:32
think music as well. Like he every one of his films has a soundtrack that goes
1:23:38
along with it perfectly. 100% 100%. And it kind of used to be that way with John Hughes or Tim Burton
1:23:46
or even who's the '90s guy that why can't I think of his name?
1:23:52
Pulp Fiction. Quinn Tarantino. Tarantino. Yeah. Where they they have they get they
1:23:57
find their style and they then they find their musical score guy
1:24:02
and they find a cohort of actors that they like to work with and that's kind of their little world of
1:24:10
their little film world. I don't know. Like I don't watch many movies. Is it still that way where directors kind of
1:24:17
have that thing or I I think I feel like that was a thing back then. Question. It very much was.
1:24:23
Yeah. John Hughes had his Molly Ringwalds and he had the people who did he had his style, the people who did his
1:24:29
music and the Michael Anthony Hall. He had his group just like Tim Burton did,
1:24:37
right? That's was my group. I I don't know if that's a thing anymore. And maybe it's because studios kind of
1:24:43
control everything now instead of the actual directors. It might be. There was a a really
1:24:50
interesting guest on the Daily Show recently. Her name is Nancy. She's like oldworld Hollywood, but she's an Asian
1:24:56
actress that somehow got parts that weren't just like caricatures.
1:25:02
We're talking like in the 60s. And so she was talking about how at that time
1:25:07
the era where the studios you were under and part of the reason that that happened for her was because she was
1:25:12
under contract with a studio. So she was had to be in they had her contracted for eight movies or whatever. And so she
1:25:20
said that was kind of ending in the 60s and she said something really interesting. They were talking about movies. She said everything kind of
1:25:26
comes back. So, I think that you saying that, Jamie, made me realize, are we are
1:25:31
we getting back to that because when that ended, it ushered in this whole independent movie
1:25:38
era, you know, really big in the '9s and then now we're kind of back to just
1:25:43
these like giant studio films. So, I don't know. It just kind of reminded me of that. Yeah. So, speaking of which though, a
1:25:51
lot of these movies that John Hughes did in the 80s that I that are really good were made for no money. This was made
1:25:57
for $6.5 million and it was nothing to sneeze at the worldwide gross. It was
1:26:03
$23.6 million on such a small budget which was considered a modest hit at the
1:26:08
time. And you're right, Jamie, it right behind Breaken. It opened in '84,
1:26:15
but it became a big hit on VHS. You guys, it's a film that's sweet, massively questionable, but also
1:26:21
relatable. Yeah. All the same. and very much of its time.
Final thoughts on Sixteen Candles
1:26:27
You know, whether you're team Jake Ryan or just here for the '8s vibes, I do hope you enjoyed this trip back to 1984.
1:26:34
Jamie Milo, thank you so much for joining me. What are your closing thoughts on 16 Candles?
1:26:42
Go for it, Jamie. I guess they're just a movie that won't
1:26:47
be made again. So, that's what makes it good, I guess. I I I I kind of miss a
1:26:54
lot of the I I don't know, maybe I'm a bad person, but I miss when you could
1:26:59
make fun of things like they what they made fun of back then. So maybe I'm
1:27:04
terrible, but I wish I wish you could make movies like this where people weren't
1:27:11
I mean, maybe not. Maybe not some of it, but I wish I wish you could like be a
1:27:16
little more like less offended people and watch this and just take it in stride. So, I like this. I haven't seen
1:27:23
this in forever. And it reminded me of being a teenager again, even though I wasn't a teenager in 1984. I was a kid,
1:27:30
but if this will take you back to some of the insecurities and weirdness of being a teenager, so I dig it. I'm glad
1:27:35
I got to revisit this again. Yeah, I'm I'm with you. It's one of those films you have to watch it and put
1:27:41
it into context of when it was made in order to appreciate it. Having said
1:27:46
that, I can also accept how modern audiences might not like this film. And I wouldn't fault somebody if they're
1:27:53
like, "Oh, yeah, no, I find it offensive. I can't watch it." That's fine. But if other people like it, let them
1:27:59
like it. You know, it's a certainly Yeah. questionable decisions at various points, but it's a teen comedy from the
1:28:07
80s. It is what it is and you just have to appreciate it for what it is. And you
1:28:13
know it was John Hugh's first film and he started a trend in the 80s that makes
1:28:20
the 80s part of what it was and why we enjoy it is thanks to John Hughes. So
1:28:25
you have to appreciate it for that. Both very well said. P.S. I forgot to
1:28:31
see if you guys also laughed at one of my favorite moments in the movie that I don't recall ever tracking initially
1:28:40
when the grandmas are in the kitchen trying to make breakfast. The cigarette ashes,
1:28:47
the one grandma's trying to catch the other grandma's cigarette ash while they're cooking and it's the longest and
1:28:53
it's like in two scenes. Then later when they're like eating at the table, she's got a really long cigarette ash, too. I
1:28:59
was dying at that. Yeah, my grandma had those long ass ash
1:29:04
cigarette ashes and I remember my mom sometimes like getting a little ashtray and kind of flicking it off from my
1:29:10
grandma or they'd cook and even like the ashes would fall into this stuff. They'd be like, "Bitch,
1:29:16
we're cooking it anyway, dude." Indoor smoking was in 1984 was a thing.
1:29:23
And my grandma had I don't know why sometimes she'd smoke, but sometimes she'd just light it up just because
1:29:29
she's just used to having it, but she wouldn't even smoke it. It just turned into this
1:29:34
little thing. That's funny. I'm glad you brought that up because I It's so true.
1:29:40
I almost forgot about it, but I was like, "Oh my god." And I don't remember noticing that in any prior watch.
1:29:46
That was so real back then, though. He must see that's 1984. That was real. Grandma
1:29:52
in his life. Yeah, grandma's had those longass ash cigarettes. It's true.
1:29:57
That's a smoking while cooking or doing any other thing.
1:30:02
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1:30:09
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1:30:16
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1:30:29
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1:30:36
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