The Director's Chair Network

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That's right. You've pressed play on All the Right Moves, a limited podcast
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series from the director's chaired network about the filmography of Edgar Wright. This week, a big week, we're
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talking about my favorite Edgar Wright movie, Scott Pilgrim. And I could not
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talk about a bass playing dildo without the biggest bass playing dildo that I
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know. Uh, please welcome producer Chris from WATP to the show.
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Producer Chris, how are you? I'm great, man. Thank you for having me. What a great intro. What a great film.
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I'm so happy to be here. Yeah. And I didn't think that I would
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react that way about Scott Pilgrim until I rewatched this movie. I I've
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seen this movie many times. And now that I am sitting down and watching these
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films with a critical eye, I I it's it's been very interesting and because on the
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surface I've they're beloved to me, but then once I sit down and really drill
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down about what I like and maybe what the the shortcomings of these movies are, uh I'm I'm discovering things that
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I had not picked up on before. So, it it's been educational in in the most fun
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and best way. Sure. Sure. I just want to say when it comes to shortcomings with this movie, it's not
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long enough. There's it I I could watch it and watch it for [ __ ] ever. And
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and I didn't full disclosure, my girlfriend at the
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time 20 years ago when this came out or whatever the [ __ ] what is it, 2002?
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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um I didn't want to hear any more about how
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great this was. And you ever have someone that loves a band
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so much that they almost ruin it for you? That's how this was for me. I went
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in not wanting to like it and upon re-watching recently,
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oh my god, it is an almost perfect movie. And I don't say that very often.
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It is insane how much of a passion project this movie is for almost
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everyone involved, including the people that watch it. Absolutely. It It's about love and it's
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made with love. You can tell, right? And it is a genre blending
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movie that's on full display. There's so many. It It is a video game passion
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project. It is a rock and roll passion project. It is a romance passion
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project. It is a comic book passion project. It is a callback.
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like all the tropes of Edgar Wright that we've been talking about with Shawn and
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Hot Fuzz, it is just it's jampacked
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with movie making to me. Am I wrong? Well, yes. And here's why. No, I'm just
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kidding. Uh, it's [ __ ] like I said, it's an almost perfect film. There's not much more. I I think our review is done.
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But uh the only way you could watch this and not adore it is to be like, "Oh, well, I
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never played video games before." Sure. Yeah. Comic book. Yeah. I never watched Batman.
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Yeah. Um, but before we get there's so much to say
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there's so much to say right that that we should really take it back to roots
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and start with spaced because a a segment of every episode is how
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space in spaced informed these bigger productions and it
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certainly did in this case. So the way that we are chronologically going
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through the filmography and the episodes of Spaced, this one lands perfectly on
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the season finale of season 1, which is the episode called ends. And um at this
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point, the will they won't they dynamic between Tim and Daisy is kind of coming
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to a head as Tim's ex is reaching out to him to
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uh get in get in touch with Tim for some kind of an unknown reason. That's the
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crux of the plot of the season finale of season 1.
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Sarah, she wants to see me today. Wonder what that's all about.
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Maybe she wants a CD playback. Maybe she's getting married.
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Maybe she's pregnant. And um there's a few relevant things to
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the filmography that are that I want to bring up. One being that um I'm kind of
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recording these things out of order, Chris. So, I have rewatched Last Night
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in Soho at this point. And when you watch,
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don't Yeah. Don't uh you know, pull back the curtain and break the fourth wall too much. But when Daisy is visiting
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Marsha, and Marsha wants Daisy to live at the apartment for the rest of her
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life and basically become Marsha. I like having you here. I feel like
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you've always lived here. I hope you never lose. Never lose. Never
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that is the the seed that they plant for what will go on
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to become Last Night in Soho. So having having watched that and watched this,
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it's because you see that a lot in space, how we've talked about space be
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just being Shaun of the dead without zombies, you know, and
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well, even with some in at least one particular episode, but yeah, go on.
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Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's uh season or episode three or something like that. But um you so you see all
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these things that Edgar is going to pull from the series and eventually use later
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on all the way up until his most recent film. So when Daisy is envisioning
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herself as an old woman trapped in an apartment, it
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conjures Last Night in Soho to me. Have you seen Last Night in Soho? I have not.
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Yeah, that scene of Daisy envisioning herself in the apartment is very
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reminiscent of Last Night in Soho. And if you haven't seen it, maybe that doesn't register with you, but it's it's
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relevant. And I'm only bringing it up because so much of Spaced is relevant to all of Edgar
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Wright's movies. And uh even Tim in the end of this episode brings up Soho. Uh,
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I don't know if you remember that part where he's kind of saying he left, he decided that his ex wanted to get back
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or his ex wants to get back together with him and he says no and he is sort
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of lamenting the last year of his life and he brings up Soho. So, it's just
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another call out to something that will bloom into a whole movie eventually, you
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know, years later that Edgar loves to cultivate these little tropes from space
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and uh expand them out into full movies. You see, uh things that he features in
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episodes of space that go on to be in Hot Fuzz and go on to be in Shaun of the
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Dead. So, uh, there are definitely those references in the season finale of
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season 1 of Spaced. Yes. Um, what what was your takeaway from
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watching Space? You said that you were aware of the episode or the series as a
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whole, but you were revisiting it, right? Yeah. Back when it was new, I had a
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friend who wouldn't shut the [ __ ] up about it. And I'm so glad that he didn't
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because uh it was so great. And re-watching that
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episode that you gave me for homework rekindled my love for the show. And it
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hasn't aged a bit. And I love those characters. I want to hang out with
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them. I want to be British when I'm watching this. I want to go to a pub. I want to dance
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with Daisy. I love every [ __ ] thing about it. And
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yeah, I'm gushing now. And that's because I have been saying
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that you we're very close in age and this this series is of the voice of our
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generation. Yes, it's a BBC series and in a different country, but it speaks to
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our generation. And I think that's that's why we latch on to
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it so much and enjoy it so much. Yeah, absolutely. There's roommates
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involved, video games, you know, pubs,
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uh, you know, artsiness and of course [ __ ]
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alcoholism. I mean, yeah, it's got it all. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's so great. And I I just
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can't say enough about the cast and the characters. Yeah. And of course, it's award-winning. I really don't need to go on and on about
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it. Uh, everyone knows it's great. And if you've never seen it before and you happen to watch the show, I don't
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know how you would find this show without having known Spaced. Yeah. But check it out. It is currently free
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on Prime. And owning it and watching it in a physical format is a [ __ ] because it's like one
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of the region things. I know. And I've been pulling clips off of YouTube and the quality is shitty. So
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maybe I can I'm glad you said that that it it's living on Amazon. So everybody should certainly go check it out if you
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have not. But the other thing I wanted to bring up about this specific episode,
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and there's another thing that I'll I'll call out later, but um the end of this
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the the episode proper ends with Tim and Daisy dancing to is you is or is you
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ain't my baby. And it's very propo of the their relationship. It's
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apppropo of the the time period when
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swing music was kind of having a moment again. And it spawns
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what will go on to be a trope of almost every single Edgar Wright movie having
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some kind of choreographed dance sequence in inserted almost like
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hamfistedly into everything. Yeah. So Yeah. And it's it's lovable. It's a
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lovable trait of his. Yeah. It it you're right that that's
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like the uh antithesis of the shock value of all of the graphically violent
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out of nowhere things like um in Baby Driver when Jamie Fox dies or in Hot
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Fuzz when the reporter dies. These things spoiler alerts. Well, I assuming people have watched
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these movies. I I've said it before, but it that's a trope of his where he he
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kind of like sucker punches you with a graphically violent moment as opposed to
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these moments that are these tenderhearted uh musically
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music music theater kind of soft things. Absolutely. Running this big spectrum of
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emotions in almost every movie. Just as an aside, if everyone if anyone gives a
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[ __ ] uh Carl from uh who are these podcasts?
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My mentor, my boss, my good friend. We argue about Shawn of the Dead all the
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time about how, well, he argues how great it could be if
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it didn't have those other aspects, you know, um, love interest, any sort of
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seriousness, uh, the inserted musical numbers, if you will. Uh,
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he's saying those are shortcomings of it or that's what he is. And I'm like, no, it's almost a perfect movie. uh how
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could you have a problem with it? And he wants a comedy to be a comedy through
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and through. Now, he and I side on things like um Pineapple Express where it tries to be
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too much. But for some reason, the sticky wicket with him is Shaun of the
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Dead. And if you ever want to bring that up to him, uh watch him go nuts.
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Wind him up. Interesting. because I feel like I've become a
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subject matter expert on Shaun of the Dead. So, I'll have to have that conversation with Carl because yeah, I'm
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just saying it's interesting that someone would have a different opinion about it having all the elements that
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we, you at least um really enjoy about the film and Ed Wright's work
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in general. Yeah, the Shan of the Dead episode is available right now. So if you're watching this, you can go watch that.
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And I will just in summary for uh people that maybe have seen both or since you
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have probably haven't seen it yet, what what makes Shaun of the Dead so
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memorable is the things that you don't want to remember about it, which are the
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the very emotional death scenes of Philip, the stepdad, and Shawn's mom.
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The sequence when Shawn's mom dies and then Shawn has to kill his mom is
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heartbreaking to to a degree that it should not be in something that is
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classified as a comedy. It is so traumatic that it imprints on your brain
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and makes you remember that movie. It's it's an impressionable movie in a way
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that you don't want it to be. from something that you enjoyed so much to then just turn around and rip your heart
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out. So, but Andy, you're assuming that there's some people that don't want to shoot their moms.
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Yeah, you're right about that. So, you can You're bad.
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Maybe it's beloved by for another reason by another cross section in the audience. A very good select.
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That's why I'm so glad you're here, Chris. And uh I this is the perfect time to dovetail into Scott Pilgrim versus
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the world because we are both bass players and I just love that we get
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represented on the screen uh in such a delightful way as uh one of
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the most [ __ ] shitty people to be featured as a main character in a film.
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Scott Pilgrim is I it's it's hard he's beloved and but
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it's hard to like him kind of. Did you feel like did you feel like he was hard to like when you were watching the
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movie? Absolutely. And that becomes ultimately again spoiler alert what the charm is
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because you do love him. I identify with him. Uh I think
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I think most people would in a way when it comes to subject Yeah. the the
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complex subject of love. Yes. And clubs and broads
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and bass playing and bands. I I I just love the the rules about the girlfriend
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at band practice. Hi. You promise to be good? Of course I'll be good.
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Seriously, please be good. Am I normally not? Hey, Knives, this is Steven Stills. He's
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the talent. Hey, is she going to geek out on us? She'll just sit in the corner, man.
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I mean, I want her to geek out on us. She'll geek. She geeks. She has the capacity to geek.
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Oh, important rule that they don't discuss enough in this film, but please continue.
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Yeah. Does she have the capacity to geek out or whatever it is? Um, but this is a
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unique addition to the filmography because he does Shawn
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and then he does Hot Fuzz and this will is two parts of the Cornetto trilogy
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that is concluded with World's End. But then you have Scott Pilgrim inserted
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between all these things as a passion project that is distinctly
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nonB British and doesn't feature Simon Peg and Nick Frost. It doesn't feature
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what I've been calling the Edgar Wright players, all these people that show up in all these movies. This is set apart
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from all of that in not even an American way. This is distinctly Canadian.
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Canadian. Not so long ago in the mysterious land of Toronto, Canada.
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Toronto. And it's just it is something
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that was unique to his debut that I talked about with Ryan, the fist full of
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fingers episode that most people will cut their teeth in the genre of horror
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because it's kind of an easy way to see yourself into the industry. Edgar
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doesn't do that. He goes for a western and it is a spaghetti western spoof that
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wants to be like Naked Gun and Blazing Saddles put together, but it so it's
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just like a nontraditional way to find yourself into a different into the
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market. And that's kind of what he's doing here with Scott Pilgrim. It's like I'm not going to do an American action
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movie. I'm going to do a Canadian video game movie, which is
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a testament to him doing what he wants to do. Yes. Absolutely.
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Yeah. And it kicks off with the the sequence that it it's so
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prominent. It needs to be said that Beck does all the music for
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every any music that you're hearing in Scott and Pilgrim is written by Beck. So, they introduce
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Scott, they introduce his friends. You can tell they all have a history and they're in a band together and then it
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kicks off with the the very like garage pop kind of like punker stuff written by
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Beck. Did you have an opinion about how good Sex Baba Bomb is as a band in
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general?
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by fly through the needles. Oh my
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my it made me want to start a band listening or re re-watching this. Yeah.
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Uh, it brought me back and um and I have so much love for that sound
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and that uh kind of attitude that our hero or anti-hero maybe.
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Yeah. Has and his disdain for the band and everyone within it.
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Yeah. Particularly love the drummer and um Yeah, but I don't want to get ahead of this. Um
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Yeah. Well, it's fine. We're assuming that people have seen the movie, so jumping around and and bringing up
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things that happen later is fine. And it should be said that Kim, the drummer, is an ex of Scots. And people like Scott's
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exes hating him. The way that Ramona's exes are being vindictive against her is
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a parallel to these two people. And I I guess it it should be uh brought up that
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the the female lead Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Ramona Flowers is also
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iconic. And I used to romanticize a a
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girl like Ramona Flowers, like thinking that I would like to meet a girl like that. And watching it now in 2025 after
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seeing it for maybe like the eighth to 10th plus times. Yeah.
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I'm just like Scott [ __ ] sucks. Ramona [ __ ] sucks. These two people
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deserve each other. And it's like But you're still rooting for both of them throughout this, right?
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You kind of have to because it's so [ __ ] entertaining. Yeah. And they I was just like, "God, what is
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wrong with the [ __ ] wigs in this?" Like, Scott Scott's hair [ __ ] sucks
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on purpose. I mean, it's kind of a running gag in the movie that he needs a haircut and he looks like [ __ ] but the
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Ramona wig is like Oh, the in Saw the uh the girl that's in
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Saw one and Saw two that's Jigsaw's protege. I think it was on Once Over.
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her f uh Kayle's friend Cookie brings up how shitty um that girl's wig is in the
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series and that is what was I was reminded of looking at Ramona's hair.
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It's just like it makes this uh lovely woman Mary Elizabeth Winstead just looks
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shitty. But that's just my opinion
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after a decade of watching this movie. I was like that wig did not age well. But
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fair enough, but the best hair gag in the movie is when Knives gets her uh her
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highlights punched out. Yeah, [Music]
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he punched the highlights out of her hair. He punched the highlights out of her
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hair. Yeah. Yeah. That's the uh the Brendan Ralph uh Clash of Demon Head scene when
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uh the bass play Oh god. We we'll get to that too. But but yeah, that needs to be
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called out. There's a great hair gag. But
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this uh movie in general, like like we were saying, this is this blends so many
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tropes or genres between video games. And then you have Knives Chow, who you
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you said is Scott's rebound girl who is
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borderline a problem in the movie. He's dating a high schooler and everybody's
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like, "Uh, you're being a creep, dude. Why are you a creep?" And he's he's
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content to play video games and hold hands with a minor. It's it's it's
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kind of disturbing. No. Well, yes. Um, but when you're much
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younger, perhaps Scott's age, he's what, 21 in the film, I believe,
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right? Yeah, it makes a little bit more sense. But yeah. Yeah, it is weird how the
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older you get, it makes less of a difference to date somebody six to seven years your junior, but when
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you're younger, trust me, it helps. A lifetime, right? Yeah. Wait till you're 53, [ __ ]
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Oh, wait. Yeah, I can't wait to date a a woman
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seven years younger than me. But um so I and I do think Knives Chow is like they
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have to insert this unrealistic thing that is that he should not be
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doing or is not realistic to his future.
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He's on the rebound. He's depressed. He's eating a whole package of Oreos
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in this romantic way, but he's not into it. Yeah. Does that sum it up?
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Right. And I Yeah, I think in the long term he knows that it's not going to
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work out, but he's still Oh, in the short term. Yeah. Right. And this is just spotlighting the
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immature point of view that Scott has, which is
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the beginning of his character arc to maturing
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out of being a [ __ ] partner for anybody that he has a romantic
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entanglement with. This is like him being the worst version of a boyfriend
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and then the whole rest of the movie is him realizing
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how to grow up and mature and become take take his love life a little more
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seriously. I guess is the theme and plot of the movie, right? Yeah. He meets the female equivalent of
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him and Yeah. And it's a coming of age kind of thing, but super hip and very stylized
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and we love every [ __ ] second of it. Thank god there's a little bit of downtime in some of these sequences
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because you need a break uh a little bit, you know, an old fart like me.
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Uh but so amazingly paced and put together. But yes, at the at the core of
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it, um this is about um say an [ __ ] like producer Chris
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meeting an [ __ ] like producer Chris. You dating yourself?
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Yeah. And you're like, "Oh, nega Chris. I guess I deserve this."
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Yeah. And the the other thing that needs to be stated is the the pumpup from
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Shaun of the Dead arriving and setting the world on fire and every it being basically beloved and arguably the best
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movie like his first feature film being arguably his best and then taking that
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pouring financial backing and big studio and star power onto hot fuzz and plusing
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that up and making that bigger and better and even more successful. And a
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lot of people that's beloved to a lot of people. A lot of people hold Hot Fuzz up as their favorite Edgar Wright movie.
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Now, let's No one holds the third one up.
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World's End. That's a different story. Maybe not that one.
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Yeah. Yeah. Uh go to the dead. Yeah. Uh, so but now we arrive here at Scott
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Pilgrim. Complete departure from Shawn and Hot Fuzz, which maybe seemed like,
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you know, holding like sister projects, holding hands, uh, just the all both
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great things with different genres. Now we get Scott and Simon Peg's not
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involved because a lot of things that we've been talking about with what makes Space good, what makes Shawn good, what
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makes Hot Fuzz good, a lot of it is Simon Peg's writing.
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Yes. So when you take that away, I don't think I really realized this
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until this series, re-watching all these movies, how
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how much Simon Peg made a difference to these other projects. I I in a way I'm
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just like, "Oh, this is all Edgar, right just being great." But Simon Peg is very
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uh intricate in the success of Shawn and Hot Fuzz and those other things because
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but because of the strength of Scott Pilgrim, I didn't realize this until
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much later because Simon Peg's not involved in this, but the writing of uh Brian Leo Ali, who is the comic book
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writer for the Scott Pilgrim comics, so much of the dialogue is just put right
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into this. But there there is another screenwriter and Edgar, you know, they
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have their hands in making Scott Pilgrim a great movie. But I just want to point
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out that it's going to become more apparent in the later episodes that
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um like Baby Driver and uh Last Night in Soho and the people that are involved in
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the writing or not involved in the writing. It It's what made me realize
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how key Simon Peg is to Shawn and Hot Fuzz. And
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for this to be the next movie and my favorite and Simon Peg not being involved, that's why I was just like,
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"Oh, Edgar Wright's just brilliant." But it's it's probably more to the credit of
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Brian Lee Ali, who is the comic writer, is what keeps this afloat with the the
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absence of Simon Peg. And then you get all this cameo star power thrown in on
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top of that. That includes Anna Kendrick, Kieran Kulkin obviously is key
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and goes on to be way more successful. But then you have Aubrey Plaza. Yeah, absolutely.
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Brie Larson, uh Brendan Ralph, Tom Jane, and Clifton Collins Jr. and Martin Star. a lot of
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people just making these cameos that back then maybe they weren't as big as
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they are now but like when you you go back and you be like oh [ __ ] Aubrey Plaza and Anna Kendrick are in bit parts
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in this it's uh it's pretty incredible to know that because like when and hot
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fuzz people were clamoring to be part of that movie you had Kate Blanchett and
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Peter Jackson making uncredited cameos you had Uh
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Steve Kugan and Martin Freeman just everybody wanting to be in this.
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Steven Merchant is has a bit part just cuz they wanted to be in the Edgar
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Wright business. So now he takes it to the States and you get all these uh
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cameos from big players. Uh so it's it's starstudded, right?
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Absolutely. Yeah. I would call it distracting, but it's a distracting
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movie to begin with. Yeah. Um, but Aubrey Plaza,
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I particularly love every scene that she chews up. It's [ __ ] awesome.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's great addition. And I actually thought I should put some
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drops of her on the WATP board from this movie after re-watching it. Yeah.
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Yeah. There's just so many great moment. I mean, we can't even begin to go over
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the the joke density that is packed into this. There is so many references. the
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the pee meter when he's like, I gotta pee. Every everything anytime he needs
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to get out of doing something he doesn't want to do, it's an excuse to go pee. And then they have the video game meter
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that goes down, uh, which is such a great gag. And the just the jokes and
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the sardonic just melee like I I don't want to be
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here. I'm too cool to be here. and I don't want to deal with my life. And
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it's just a a vibe which I I hate saying it has like this tone and voice that is
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so appropriate for when it came out which is, you know, indie rock.
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Yeah. Grow rock was making a comeback. Yeah. The White Stripes were hitting their stride. Well, no, probably three years
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into their stride. Okay. And uh just really paving the way for a
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lot of the bands that you and I probably cut our teeth on when we were well, it was 20 years ago, when we were 20 years
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younger, right? But there there's a lot of onw wee from the people just the main
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characters just pretending that they're too cool to care about their actual
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emotions. And absolutely. Um, but it all comes to a head when they finally Ramona and Scott
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do finally get together. So Scott kind it it it's intricate intricral that he
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cheats on not cheats, but he doesn't break up with knives in a timely manner
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when he realizes that he'd rather be with Ramona and he shouldn't. Everybody knows he shouldn't be with Knives, but
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he doesn't handle it properly and that becomes relevant at the end. And from
35:27
there, obviously, the the litany of the seven evil exes,
35:34
uh, trying to keep Scott and Ramona apart is the whole plot of the movie, and it plays out like a video game,
35:41
which anybody that grew up with Street Fighter and Tekken is
35:48
so much fun. This it just makes this movie. If you've ever someone's ass in a club
35:55
and they turn into coins, this movie is for you. Yeah. What if my love life was a video
36:01
game and I could beat the [ __ ] out of all of my I don't want to play that game.
36:08
Leisure Suit, Larry, is that your the quarter I put on top of the machine. I'm like, "Yeah, it's yours, kid."
36:15
Yeah. So, it it just takes it in this direction that is so much fun to
36:23
basically weaponize your dating life. And yes, I it's it's miserable for Scott because
36:32
he's trying to dodge his ex that he never should have been with. Yeah. He is
36:38
navigating, you know, all of his past relationships with like Kim and uh Envy that is one of
36:48
his ex and one of Ramona's exes, the uh the Clash of Demon Head scene. So, it's
36:55
all about, if I may. Yeah, please. You talk about it being miserable for him. Um everything is filmed in the
37:03
snow. It's Canadian. And it really brings me back to our you and I, Andy,
37:10
our local uh our local rock bar, The Bug Jar. It seemed like all so much drama
37:17
when I was in my 20s and in bands, playing there constantly, trying to start things up, whether it be [ __ ]
37:25
abroad or getting some drugs or actually playing in a band and learning my instrument. Yeah. Uh everything seemed to be in the
37:32
winter and it's great that everything plays out in the winter here because it really adds to the misery of our hero.
37:39
That that is a great point that I had not considered the the fact that it is
37:46
uh the the winter of their discontent. Yeah, to put it in a more literal way. But
37:53
cold cold comes into play a lot uh in this movie. the whole uh well, if your
37:59
blanket's on the bed, shouldn't we just be in bed and share the blanket? That
38:04
That's a good line, man. I still use that one.
38:10
I I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, that I I'm glad you did because
38:15
there is so much thematic
38:20
uh elements and thought that goes into a lot of Edgar's previous movies that that
38:27
we've talked about. And it's just on full display here the layers of
38:34
themes and uh references and how wellthought out it is. I can't
38:41
even articulate. I'm not in a position to articulate how much thought went into
38:47
the creation of this, but the fact that the the winter element would be
38:54
conceived with purpose. This would be a different movie in
39:00
summer, right? Palace uh in the winter to see tortoise in the late 90s and it's [ __ ] brutal.
39:09
just that out. But Lee Palace was great, right? But it would be a different movie
39:15
if it was in the summertime. Oh, absolutely. You know, so it is it is relevant to
39:20
bring up. So I'm glad you did. Yeah. At the the end of the second act,
39:27
I believe Scott is bonking his head against the telephone pole.
39:32
Yeah. And it's bleak and the snow's coming down. That that spells it out to me. That that
39:40
is misery. That's the low that the hero has to come to in order to rise again.
39:47
Yeah. And it's highlighted with the anamanapia of the of the comic
39:54
like put blending all of these different
40:00
elements of comics and romance and video games just perfectly together.
40:08
And God, I I just I really could talk about this movie for
40:14
Do you want to just Dude, I'm on my way over. Let's just watch it. Okay, let's just watch it godd minute by
40:22
minute and say everything that's so great about it. And
40:27
uh the there's so many of even just Edgar's tropes of the the um quick cut
40:36
montage things of like menial tasks that the best one is where he does the anti-
40:42
cut when Scott ties his shoe. Yes.
40:59
He grinds to a halt. I'm so glad you brought that up because I took no notes, but I made a mental
41:06
note about how much I [ __ ] love that moment. Yeah, cuz he It's on full display in Hot
41:13
Fuzz. There's just like relentless cuts of like guns being loaded and paperwork
41:19
being done. Like it's making paperwork seem Yeah.
41:24
I'm thinking of the dead. Sorry. Yeah. But you get like all of these fantastic edits of a person walking
41:31
across the screen and it takes it to you to a different scene or something
41:37
happened. this thing blows across the screen and suddenly you're in a different location. And it's something
41:43
that Edgar does so masterfully throughout, especially in like Last
41:50
Night in Soho when uh the two characters are, you know, it's supposed to be the same
41:56
person and you're seeing it in two different ways, but this just does it to
42:04
such a high degree of success throughout this movie.
42:09
And I I I just can't I can't stress enough how this is the pinn it doesn't
42:17
it doesn't get better after this movie
42:22
which is like as I'm as I'm looking forward to the running
42:28
man and hoping that it's going to be a
42:33
return to form. This is the form that I'm hoping it's going to return to
42:40
because yeah, after this when you get to like World's End and Baby Driver, you know,
42:45
and Last Night in Soho, they're they're they're not hitting this benchmark of ju
42:52
just shoehorn they've shoehorned so much awesomeness into this movie that it's an
43:00
impossible standard to replicate production wise. Yeah,
43:06
that is the crux of the biscuit here. Yeah, animation, the animation, the the
43:12
visual effects. It's got special effects. It's got choreography. The fight choreography is fantastic. They
43:19
they have a Jackiechan protege choreographing all of these fight
43:25
sequences that while I was watching it is it's just like, oh, this reminds me of Rumble in the Bronx or something.
43:32
Turns out it's a guy that worked on Rumble in the Bronx. It's pretty much Rumble in the Bronx. Yeah. And just Michael Sarah's
43:40
performances wouldn't you watch that and of course you know that his performances
43:46
wouldn't uh by design. That's the character. That's who we were
43:54
at 21. Yeah, that that's a good point. I think I
44:00
couldn't fight like that at 21. Yeah. So many enemies, too.
44:07
I don't think Michael Sarah could either. But, uh, yes, you get like the
44:12
every every act evil axe has their own kind of trope. So, the first guy,
44:17
Maddie, is um a pirate slash like Middle
44:23
Eastern guy. And I also want to point out, this is a good time to point out that the other connection to Spaced is
44:31
these 2D comicbooky flashbacks of Ramona's previous relationships where
44:37
she explains uh you know why she was with those guys and it does a little comic book uh
44:44
sequence. in I think it's episode four of season two, Daisy does that in in one
44:53
of the spaced episodes. So, it's just another longunning gag that Edgar loves
45:01
to take from his his
45:06
love of making Spaced. He had so much fun making Space that he just takes all these things that he liked about making
45:12
that and puts them into his feature films. And that's one that's on display in Scott Pilgrim. So, I wanted to make
45:18
sure to bring that up. But the the vibe of each X is so
45:25
specific and fun that I haven't been like going plot beat for
45:32
beat through these movies, but that's boring, Andy. It is boring, but
45:37
it's just cool to point out that Chris Evans shows up as the movie star
45:42
skateboarder and the way that Scott foils him is you it's all like
45:48
unconventional fight. Yes, you get the the
45:53
choreographed fight sequences, but then the way that he defeats Chris Evans is unique.
45:59
It's called a grind, bro. So, can you do a grindy thingy now?
46:06
Are you serious? There are like 200 steps and the rails
46:12
are garbage. Well, hey, if it's too hardcore. You really think you can code me into
46:17
doing a trick like that? There are girls watching. The way that he defeats Brandon Ralph
46:25
with the bass battle thing and the tone. I I mean, that's why I had to
46:30
Hey, as a bass player, I want to say that's not bass playing. That's guitar playing on a bass. [ __ ] that. Uh, but a
46:36
great sequence. And just in case you're you're tuning in for some random reason
46:42
and you haven't seen this film, um, the the way that he defeats uh, what's
46:49
his lips? Chris Evans. Yeah. Skateboard. Um, it's it's just
46:55
phenomenal. And and you would think like when you look at the running time like, oh, this is too much for this for me.
47:01
No, it's perfect. It's Yeah. Chef's kiss. Perfect. It's just It all comes down to him
47:08
going, "There's girls watching." Yeah. Right. Like his he just plays into his ego to
47:16
the point where he he beats himself. Again, bringing me back to playing in
47:23
clubs and just being a horny dude and that being so [ __ ] important.
47:29
Yeah. girls are watching. Yeah, but it actually still is. Who am I kidding?
47:38
But it that really does speak to Brian Lee Ali, the writer of the comic series,
47:44
and how brilliant he was. That putting somebody's ego on the line is
47:51
what defeats that X. putting the uh
47:56
veganism like the the pompous holier than thou, you know, challenging
48:03
Brandon Ralph's the bass player of the Clash of Demon Heads character, challenging his dedication to veganism
48:11
is what that guy, you know. Yeah, it was cool. That was the long play, but uh when we got there, it was
48:18
great. Yeah, he's I just uh I thought I put the the creamer in this cup in my
48:26
mind's eye or whatever. Dude, I can see in your mind's eye that you put half and half into one of those
48:31
coffees in an attempt to make me break vegan edge. I'll take the one soy. [Applause]
48:38
Thanks to him. Actually, Muchacha, I poured the soy in
48:44
this cup, but I thought real hard about pouring it in that cup. you know, in my mind's eye or whatever.
48:52
What are you talking about? You just drank half and half, baby. That's just the way he said.
48:57
I thought about it so hard. Yeah. And my other favorite line I don't want
49:03
to forget to bring up is when he's talking to Anna Kendrick, who is Scott's sister in the film, about why he is so
49:12
desperate to keep things on track with Ramona. And she's like, "Do you see a
49:18
future with this girl?" And Scott's answer is like
49:24
this jetpack. Yeah. But you bring up ego and at the core of
49:30
this movie is that very thing. It's like, yeah, you can say, "Oh, I had this girl.
49:37
I'm the ex." Yeah. But that girl can tell everyone about how shitty you were
49:43
in bed or whatever, you know? Yeah. So, it's like
49:48
you don't think about that all the time. Um, and this brings it home. It's like,
49:55
um, it really puts well, I would say at the time genders on the same level, you
50:03
know, in a way. It's like, you know, it's it's a dating movie. It's like
50:09
uh not something that I I would ever seek out in um I mean you don't go to
50:16
Blockbuster anymore to look at dating movies or romcoms. You [ __ ] you.
50:22
Yeah. Right. But watching it really brought me back to like how important some of these
50:27
things were. But really, it's still relevant in how people work
50:34
with each other, how relationships are. That that's that's a very good point to
50:39
make, and it's not something that I had in my notes, so I'm glad you bring it up, but we did talk about in Shauna of
50:45
the Dead how if you take the zombie apocalypse out of the movie, you still have a decent romcom between Shawn and
50:52
Liz and David and uh Diane. And if that was just the movie about their dynamic
50:59
and their relationship and David trying to get in between Shawn and Liz, you could still have a watchable movie. It
51:06
wouldn't be as fun and beloved and uh you know iconic as Shaun of the Dead,
51:12
but it would still be a romantic comedy and relatively realistic. Yeah. And if you take all of the video
51:19
game and uh rock and roll out of Scott, you probably would still have a relevant
51:27
romantic comedy with uh you know um yeah,
51:32
Scott and Ramona. And I can't not state how much I love Karen Kulkin's
51:40
character in this, especially when the scene when he comes in drunk and throw
51:46
and slaps the keys and hits Scott in the face with his car keys. And guess who's
51:52
drunk? Guess who's drunk? I guess Wallace.
51:57
You guessed right. I just [ __ ] love his character and
52:04
how he running around telling everybody how shitty Scott is. He's telling Knives
52:11
Scott sucks. He's telling Ramona Scott sucks. And he's right. Absolutely. And I had a roommate like
52:18
that and I had a Knives like that and I was the bad guy.
52:23
Scott Pilgrim. I am a recovering Scott Pilgrim. Yeah. So I you can relate. This is it's
52:31
a very relatable movie especially for a bass player. Yeah. If you play base and go through a
52:38
lot of girlfriends. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's so amazing. Again, everyone
52:46
has seen this, but if you haven't, rush the [ __ ] out. And yeah, I don't know why you're watching. Go to Blockbuster and get the VHS.
52:54
Yeah. I thought I'd go play Double Dragon on your 8bit Nintendo.
53:02
I just might later. And I just I like how
53:10
Brian the writer is leaning into the fact of well when somebody tells you who
53:16
they are, believe them. Because Ramona is telling Scott that it's going to be
53:23
hard to be with her. Scott is telling Knives. They're they're kind of pretty
53:28
upfront with how shitty they are, but everybody wants to believe that
53:34
things are going to work out. And even if somebody like uh what who goes on to
53:41
come into the movie so much later, Jason Schwarzman's um the big boss.
53:46
Yeah. Yeah. The big bad. He shows up so much later, but Ramona knows that he sucks and she still wants to be with
53:53
him. Ramona is keeps telling Scott that she sucks and Scott still is trying to
53:58
be with her and um we just uh we don't want to hear the truth once we we get it
54:05
in our head that this person is the one for us and maybe you've been married too long. It's
54:12
thinking with your genitalia. Okay. Yeah, maybe maybe you're right. But I
54:20
just God, I just love all of the
54:25
the nuance of the way that Scott gets
54:30
together with Ramona when he he get he sees her running through his mind.
54:36
They're at the party and he he tries all the things that worked with knives on
54:42
Ramona and it doesn't work on her. Hey, what's up? Nothing. Hey, you know Pac-Man?
54:49
I know of him. Well, Pac-Man was originally called Pac-Man.
54:55
They changed it because uh not because Pac-Man looks like a hockey puck. Pu pu means flap your mouth and that they were
55:02
worried people would change scratch out the P, turn it into an F like,
55:10
yeah, that's amazing. Yes. And then he orders the package and he won't let her leave.
55:17
She's like, "If you sign it, I can leave." And he's like, "Well, I'm not going to sign it unless you agree to go
55:22
out with me." It's so It's such a toxic way to shoehorn yourself into this
55:28
woman's life, but effective, Andy. That's the thing you're missing here. Yeah. And uh
55:37
there's just like so many realistic tropes that make these characters
55:42
three-dimensional and all the way down to the things that they like and don't like and the way
55:49
that they, you know, their shortcomings, you know, people having flaws ma
55:55
humanizes them to the audience. And these characters are nothing but flaws. In a lot of ways, Scott is, like you
56:03
said, an anti-hero. He's not He's not a likable person. He's charming, but
56:11
in a lot of ways, you're No, he's a coward. You're not rooting for him, right? Yeah.
56:17
He's a coward. He's uh reluctant hero. Yeah. And and Ramon,
56:24
turns out he can kick ass. I mean, I know that's the one thing he's good at is fighting. He's not good at He's not a
56:31
good bass player. That's Oh, if we didn't point that out enough, he
56:36
sucks at the base. He can't even take care of it. It's all duct taped together.
56:41
Yeah, I know. He's got See, I got I got my Rick on display back there. Yeah. Uh, and I I think that between
56:49
Lemie and Scott Pilgrim is probably the reason why I wanted a Rick and Bacher so bad. But
56:55
Oh, that's funny because I I gave you the sticker of Spaced I made you and
57:01
Simon Peg's wearing the Motorhead t-shirt. Now, he never mentions Mohead in the
57:07
show or liking metal or proto metal or whatever you want to call it, but I
57:13
found that interesting. Yeah. And that that guitar that's what Young Neil's playing at the end when
57:18
they when they si uh sell out and they had the and Sex Bob has her glow up.
57:25
That's the bass that Young Neil is playing when he replaces
57:31
another great character. Um and I God I just I love the music so much too. I
57:37
don't want to forget to bring up how uh what do you hate about
57:43
what do I hate about it? I hate the the wigs. No, you don't. I hate the I hate the main characters.
57:50
They both suck. They're just I mean, Mary Mary Elizabeth Winstead is a
57:55
beautiful woman, but trying to be in a relationship with that person just seems
58:02
so exhausting. Scott, it it's just like why why would anybody want to be with
58:08
this guy? I really don't I really don't get the appeal of Scott Pilgrim. like
58:13
why why do all these girls like him so much? Is is Michael Sarah's Scott Pilg
58:19
that I think that was a big question mark for a lot of people that were fans of the comic if I'm
58:25
remembering properly when this was coming out brand new that people thought
58:32
that casting Michael Sarah as Scott Pilgrim was a miscast.
58:37
Do you think do you feel that way? Do you think he's a good representation? Are you aware of the comic book at all?
58:45
Comic book? No. Yeah, I am. And um and it it it's one of those things
58:51
having seen it, you can't unsee it. I don't know who else I would cast as it's actually
58:58
perfect from the time if you think about it, you know. Uh coming off the heels of like super bad,
59:05
he kind of had a lot of and Arrested Development. Yeah, I was going to say Arrested Development. He was that clueless yet
59:13
kind of clever guy. He He knew about stuff but didn't want to ever be accused of knowing about
59:19
stuff. I mean, that's how I get through life. So, yeah, when Scott dumps knives, it's kind
59:27
of one of these emotionally awkward things that Edgar and the writing of the
59:34
movie nail so well. Absolutely. that vibe of what you don't
59:41
want to have to deal with when you dump somebody and he's everybody's just like,
59:46
"Why can't I just text? Why why can't I just like leave a voicemail or text?" Because you don't want to see the look
59:53
on Knives face when Scott dumps her and she's so sad. It's so It's so awkward.
1:00:02
And uh that just encapsulates the breakup process perfectly. And
1:00:08
absolutely, and I'm glad you brought that up because I kind of forgot about um the heavier and albeit brief but
1:00:18
heavy portions of the film and that's one of them. And it definitely captures
1:00:25
that feeling, right? Brings it home. um yet in a comic book
1:00:31
way, but still showing those those frames, her reaction, him dealing and
1:00:38
moving on, rebounding when she was the rebound. Uh yeah, I get it. And I've been the
1:00:45
heel. I continue to be the heel. It sucks. I'll never learn.
1:00:52
And I I just I I love the character of Knives so much. you you get so emotionally invested in her journey.
1:00:59
Yeah. And she's so joyful when when they're together and and she's happy and you
1:01:06
love seeing that she's happy. And then when it's taken away from her, you feel
1:01:12
for her in that regard. And then when she's pissed and she's doing the whole hair dying sequence when she's got her
1:01:18
head in the tub and she's just screaming and her friend is like, "I don't even know what you just said. You can't
1:01:23
understand her. Hey, this really burns. You should rinse. When I got this idea, I just thought I
1:01:29
have to do it. I can't hear anything you're saying. Oh god, I look so
1:01:37
good. Cuz she's just flying off the handle. You She is just one of the one of the
1:01:44
best performances in the movie. One of the most likable good people in the movie. when when you're talking about
1:01:50
how unlikable the main characters are. Knives is the best and then you get to the end and she's still helping these
1:01:57
two people that suck and have been nothing but shitty to her. She still shows up for them at the end and then
1:02:05
lets them go off and be shitty together at the end. Yes. And in that same vein, um, the gay
1:02:13
roommate, I can't remember the character's name. Uh, he turns out to be
1:02:19
very much like that. Like, I've been trying to help you all along. It just seems like I'm mean and selfish.
1:02:26
And it turns out I am mean and selfish, but I am also helping you. Yeah. Right. Yeah. these characters,
1:02:34
everybody around them is trying to help them. Whether it's Anna Kendrick or Aubrey Plaza, yeah, all these people
1:02:41
that are seemingly the band mates, hey, we may sell out, but it was in your best interest,
1:02:46
right? Lucas is the only one that is more maybe more self-centered than Scott
1:02:53
because he's the lead singer, guitar player, and all he only cares about himself and getting a deal and that's
1:03:00
the only that's the only thing that matters to him. And it doesn't whatever Scott's up to singers suck ice.com.
1:03:08
Yeah, this does this does suffer from that um dynamic when it gets to the
1:03:14
third act. You're like, "Oh, there's still they've only fought uh three out
1:03:19
of seven X's significantly and then it just kind of speedruns and it jams the
1:03:24
uh two of them are twins and uh it just really
1:03:29
runs past a bunch of the X's." But I do like the kaiju fight of the the eight
1:03:36
versus the two-headed dragon with the twins. Absolutely. Which is the theme song of this uh podcast series. Uh
1:03:44
features the music from that sequence because I enjoy that so much. But I re I
1:03:50
just god I love the the garbage man the dump the the garbage truck song. And
1:03:58
there's a couple of good there's a couple of good songs in this. I mean, they're not all great, but
1:04:04
of the Ramona theme. And I wrote a song about you. You did? Yeah. It goes like this.
1:04:16
[Music]
1:04:22
Oh my.
1:04:35
Can't wait to hear it when it's finished. Finished. And that does a great job with the the
1:04:40
music. So yeah, they bring back the Ramona theme and it's a tearjerker, you know.
1:04:46
Yeah. Right. And and it's featured at the end as well, right? I think. Yes.
1:04:52
But I I also want to talk about Brie Larson's involvement. That whole
1:04:57
sequence with the bass battle is so funny to me. Um just how shitty Scott is
1:05:05
at the bass and just the fact the the solo cups blowing around while they're just this
1:05:13
tornado of shitty bass solos. Those are the details that make this movie so
1:05:19
great. Yeah. Uh and you don't have to you don't have to be in a band, but it helps.
1:05:24
Yeah. And it it takes everything. the the Tekken, the video game vibe, the
1:05:30
rock and roll vibe, the uh the
1:05:35
Loveorn, you know, uh shitty attitude towards your ex and the the new
1:05:41
boyfriend and all all of these things kind of coales into this fantastic
1:05:47
sequence of uh a terrible idea of having people do bass solos against each other.
1:05:58
[Music]
1:06:06
[Music]
1:06:14
And uh it's really why I wanted you on this episode because as two bass
1:06:20
players, I found it so joyful for somebody to even conceive Steve, that
1:06:26
that would be a scene in a a comic or a movie. At the end of the day, this whole thing
1:06:34
made me question what kind of relationships Edgar Wright has had, you
1:06:39
know, how comic booky they have been. Um, but if it's anything like this film,
1:06:47
uh, they're relatable. Yeah, I I think that's the strength of this movie and uh
1:06:54
the strength of the comic and I I give so much credit to Brian Ali for making
1:07:01
it relatable and something that everybody at one point in their life has
1:07:07
felt the way that Scott feels towards his relationships. So yeah, that's what
1:07:14
that's that is what makes this movie so great. And
1:07:20
let me see. I'm looking at my notes. I see bass battle Scott sucks. Vegan
1:07:25
police producer Chris sucks. Bass players suck.
1:07:32
Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then Scott starts to get overwhelmed
1:07:37
with how much baggage Ramona has. And he start she says, "You're just another
1:07:44
evil acts waiting to happen because you can't deal with my history and my
1:07:53
track record." And it's kind of something that she's been running from. She left New York to come to Toronto to
1:07:59
get away from all this. And it just follows her around and and it it's just
1:08:06
a neverending cycle of the way that she treats the men in her
1:08:13
life. It's not just Scott that is shitty to him and not
1:08:18
it's all bass players. It's but it it's it's people in rel it's immature people
1:08:24
in relationships which is more of the bigger picture message of what this
1:08:29
movie is about. And um how you how you
1:08:35
treat people uh it can come back to haunt you. So and it's not just Scott,
1:08:41
it's also Ramona. And then you get to the end where
1:08:48
she is seemingly leaving Scott for Jason
1:08:54
Schwarzman's uh Gman, who is a record exec who seemingly has
1:09:01
it all figured out. He's giving Sex Bob a record contract. He's taking Scott's
1:09:09
girl away from him and she's I I don't know. I guess a lot of people
1:09:14
have this toxic person in their past there where Ramona says that he has a
1:09:21
way into her head and she can't figure out what she likes about a person who is
1:09:27
seemingly so shitty to them. And I think that's very relatable too. It's you
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don't you you don't know why somebody that doesn't hold your feelings
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[Music] sacred or like you precious, you know, why that something something that would
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make you feel shitty. Uh you you still run back to.
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And how does that make you feel, Andy? It's making me upset, Chris. I'm very very
1:09:57
Well, I'm sorry. Our time is up. So, you'll get my bill in the mail. Yeah.
1:10:03
Luckily, Luckily, I've met somebody who does, but I Yes. People people that you think that
1:10:10
they're the person for you until you realize that they're treating [ __ ] You know, it's very hard thing to figure out
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uh with in the romantic realm is my point. Yes. Can you relate to that?
1:10:23
Yeah. Remove the record contract and Yes. I've I've hadve
1:10:29
had this adversarial uh you know relationship with with the
1:10:34
exes of the present girlfriend and the going nowness of the present girlfriend.
1:10:44
Yeah. And I I enjoyed that they used the Rolling Stones under my thumb. Yes. with
1:10:50
the way they they used uh Dire Straits, Romeo and Juliet and Hot Fuzz when the
1:10:56
the people that were doing that stage production get killed and then
1:11:01
Timothy Dalton's Skinner character rolls up and you're he's they've just been
1:11:07
throwing it in your face that this is the bad guy and then he rolls up listening to Dire Strait's Romeo and
1:11:13
Juliet and in Scott Pilgrim Jason Schwarzman Zman is playing under
1:11:20
my thumb while he takes steals Scott Pilgrim's girlfriend.
1:11:25
Yeah, sweetie. Shall we?
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And it's it's a very Edgar Wright thing to feature. Absolutely. It's it's comic book, but it
1:11:42
still makes you feel. Mhm. And uh you know there's a comeuppance but you know you also had to
1:11:48
feel those feels for that feeling time. Yep. Yep. So then we finally have the
1:11:58
the parallel conflict that Ramona has with Gideon
1:12:04
Gman Jason Schwarzman's character and Knives and Scott. It's like Scott's been
1:12:11
treating knives like [ __ ] the whole time and Gideon's been treating Ramona like [ __ ] the whole time and now they are all
1:12:20
going to have a kung fu blazing sword fight about trying to figure out who
1:12:27
should be with who in the best way possible. It's so [ __ ] fantastic. I
1:12:33
really love the finale and how just
1:12:39
hipster douchy Jason Schwarzman is when he's talking about sw you made me
1:12:46
swallow my gum. It's gonna be he's never been afraid to play this character. I love him for this.
1:12:52
Dude, I [ __ ] love Rushmore so much. It's such a great movie. It really And I love Jason Schwarzman and uh Bored to
1:12:59
Death. If you're not aware of the HBO series Bored to Death and you have any kind of love in your heart for Jason
1:13:07
Schwarzman, go watch Bored to Death with um Sam Malone. What's his name?
1:13:16
And Zack Knakis dancing. You [ __ ] dancing.
1:13:21
Thank you. Yeah, good place guy.
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Yeah. Anyway, great show is what I'm saying.
1:13:32
Yes. But uh yeah, that this finale fight and then just when you think it's all over,
1:13:39
which is the this is the best version of something I hate so much, Chris, which
1:13:46
is when a hero has to fight a villain that is just the evil version of the
1:13:53
hero. Yeah. that they've done so many times since Iron Man 2 and Black Panther and
1:14:01
so many even up to the new Superman where you find out that and spo spoilers
1:14:08
Superman is fighting a evil version of Super I [ __ ] hate it. It's so [ __ ]
1:14:14
lazy. So, for you to get to the end of this and the Nega Scott to come out and
1:14:23
you're like, "Oh [ __ ] how is he gonna after after he's gone through all of this, how is he going to fight some a
1:14:29
villain that's just as big and strong of a douche as real Scott Pilgrim?" And
1:14:36
then they just thrown away in the funniest way. And they come out and they're just buddy
1:14:41
buddy and they're going to go to brunch together. He's just like, he's actually a really cool guy. He's he's he's just a really nice guy.
1:14:47
We're going to get brunch next week. Yes. I just love that they just squash that
1:14:53
because I hate that [ __ ] It is a trope that blows. Yeah. It's so lazy that. And uh if you
1:15:00
kill the head vampire, all the vampires die. Okay. Yeah. Oh, that's not how it works.
1:15:06
Oh, it's definitely how it works. I can say for sure with all of my
1:15:11
vampire killing history. So yeah, uh Scott Pilgrim and I I could
1:15:19
go on all day about I really could just put this on and talk about it scene for
1:15:26
scene, but that's not what this is about, Chris. What it really is all about is The Running Man coming out. And
1:15:35
I really want to know what your opinions are of the original Running Man and what
1:15:40
what is your awareness of the new maybe the novel and the new movie that's
1:15:45
coming out. What what are your thoughts on the Running Man? Okay, I'll make this brief.
1:15:53
Read the Nolla. It's a novel. It's a Richard Bachmann.
1:15:59
Sure. It's a short story. It's a No, it's a it's a full novel. Oh, okay. Yeah, I read it when I was
1:16:05
like 14 and Okay. Like liked it. You did like it. May have jerked off at one point.
1:16:12
I don't remember that. Who the [ __ ] knows? I was jerking off a lot then. And uh
1:16:18
I haven't heard that feedback yet. So, good on you for bringing a unique perspective to the book.
1:16:24
Movie is great. Loved Richard Dawson in it. I don't think that role can be
1:16:29
surpassed and looking forward to this. And uh but I think we should put a poll out
1:16:35
there like name a better allencompassing entertaining movie
1:16:41
um that's better than Scott Pilgrim. Oh,
1:16:47
you know coming into this I want to say Amaly would be one of my favorites when it comes to it's got it all.
1:16:54
Is that right? I've never seen that and I Okay. I'm s that is
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I would never suspect that you would say that. That makes me want to go watch it because I haven't seen that.
1:17:07
Say more about that. What do you mean? What makes you say that? That's such a great Well, Scott Pilgrim moves me and I
1:17:12
wanted to make sure on this rewatching because I hadn't seen it since it was new. And it it does it it does have it
1:17:20
all. It's mostly laughs. There is no shortage of jokes,
1:17:25
but it's got the stylization. I mean,
1:17:31
it it is watching a graphic novel. It is so [ __ ] great and gripping.
1:17:37
And like I said, it's great that there's a little bit of downtime just so you can catch your breath. Um,
1:17:44
but yeah, maybe it just captures something that's personal to me being being in
1:17:51
bands and uh trudging around in your chucks in the winter and [ __ ] like that.
1:17:57
Yeah, I I was more I was more interested in why you would say homaly like
1:18:05
because I whenever I'm meeting someone talking about films I we usually talk
1:18:11
about what's got it all and Amaly has it all to me but I think this might actually
1:18:17
surpass that. All right, I'm gonna have to watch that now because and they came out at the same time. So is it subtitles? It is it French
1:18:24
or is it Yeah, we we Okay, maybe that's why I
1:18:30
haven't seen it, but I am gonna go out of my way to see that now. But I do think that this is the time to mention
1:18:38
because I I did the episode of Baby Driver
1:18:44
before we recorded this. and I did a deep dive into the writing of the movies
1:18:52
based on the the weakness of the writing of Baby Driver. So I this is why I brought up in
1:18:59
the beginning that Shawn and Hot Fuzz are so strong based on the writing of
1:19:05
Simon Peg. Yes. And Baby Driver is so weak because Edgar did that solo with no writing partner.
1:19:13
And I don't think that Baby is a a very well-round not to spoil the Baby Driver
1:19:19
episode, but it's it's a it's a weak character development movie. Now, Scott
1:19:26
was written by um obviously Brian Leo Ali, and that's
1:19:32
the strength of the character development for these characters. But the person that co-wrote this with Edgar
1:19:40
is also the co-writer that is writing that wrote The Running Man. So that
1:19:47
gives me a lot of hope for The Running Man. I think the guy's name is Michael
1:19:52
Michael Beall or something. I I'm I'm an [ __ ] for not knowing. I'll I'll splash it on the screen. The the proper
1:19:58
credit for not calling out properly now. You can edit that. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I'll edit it in. And He's he was
1:20:06
in like in Glorious Bastards and he has like some acting credits too, but he was
1:20:11
the co-writer on Scott. So, the fact that I love Scott so much and that this
1:20:17
guy is co-writing Running Man gives me a lot of hope for The Running Man. So, I'm
1:20:23
looking forward to it even more now knowing that based on the strength of Scott Pilgrim. So, and I'll be seeing that live with you in
1:20:32
the theater and with Yes, the plan is for everybody that
1:20:38
participated in this uh series reviewing these films will hopefully go see The
1:20:44
Running Man when that gets released and where we'll do a review of The Running Man and everybody that had a chance to
1:20:50
talk about Edgar Wright will get to weigh in on how great The Running I'm getting all of my hopes up, Chris, that
1:20:56
The Running Man is going to be fantastic because I love Edgar Wright and I love the original Running Man and I think
1:21:03
that it is going to be good. So, uh, let's let's keep talking about it. So, I
1:21:10
want to thank you for talking about Scott Pilgrim with me. I really feel like we we could go on and on about it,
1:21:17
but Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do another hour on the stoop. Yes, I know. The walk over.
1:21:25
Uh, is there anything you would like to plug at this time, Chris? Um, just check
1:21:31
out me and Carl at uh who are these.com
1:21:36
and you get all the information you need. Yeah. Yep. We wouldn't be here without
1:21:41
Who are these podcasts and Carl Hamburger. So, uh, please check that out
1:21:47
if you want to see more of producer Chris. And if you are thinking about
1:21:52
missing next week's episode of All the Right Moves,
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