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That's right. You've pressed play on All the Right Moves, a limited series from the Director's Chair Network about the
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filmography of Edgar Wright. And here we are, the penultimate movie in the
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filmography as we anxiously await for The Running Man to arrive. But that
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doesn't excuse us from having to talk about Last Night in Soho. So, I have
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invited I saved the best for last. Everybody, please welcome Tony from Hack
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the Movies to discuss Edgar Wright's Last Night in Soho. Tony, how are you? I'm doing great. I finally watched Last
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Night in Soho. You want me to do it? I don't I think I told you uh behind the
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scenes, but like every time I review an eggarite movie, I have to remind the audience that I still haven't seen Last
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Night in Soho. I keep meaning to. I just suck. And now now you know why you've been
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putting it off for so long. No, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. But uh
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it's it's a big departure from maybe everything that you would come to
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expect. I thought Baby Driver was a pretty big departure for him, too, to be honest. Yeah. And he he's whatever trying to grow as
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an artist and do something different, not do the same thing over and over again as far as, you know, Shaun of the
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Dead version 4 with, you know, now we're in outer space fighting an unbeatable
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horde of aliens in a comedic way. So, you got you got to do something different. And this is co-written
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because one of the things that I've really been grasping as I've gone through these recently is the relevance
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of who co-wrote the movies with Edgar. Okay. Cuz Shawn and Hot Fuzz, World's End,
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these are all Simon Peg. Yes. And that personality that shines through that sense of humor that
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everybody really enjoys is is so much of that is Simon Peg. Yeah.
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Because once you get to Baby Driver where it was that was only Edgar. He had
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no writing partner for that. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know how much you remember about Baby Driver. But you know what's funny? I love Edgar
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Wright. I love Edgar Wright. Like I rewatch his movies a lot. Baby Driver I saw once in the theater. I thought it
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was very good and I went it's all I need. Like I just I was like I don't really need to rewatch it. Maybe I will
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at some point but I never had the urge to rewatch Baby Driver
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like the way I watch a lot of his other stuff. And I like that was the weird thing. I liked Baby Driver
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just not enough to own it or rewatch it. Uh it was like a weird experience for me. I felt the same way. Um as you know
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I love my best friend Christopher Nolan. you know, we're best pals. But I felt the same way where like I
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loved all his stuff and then like Dunkirk came out and I went all right. I was like, we're like watching it
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again. Uh that was which one? Uh Baby Driver was by Dunkirk for Edgar, right?
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Okay, fair enough. That because I honestly was we just uh released that one on
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before this one. And when I was watching it, I just had that feeling that I don't
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care about the character Baby at all. There's no the the way that in Shauna of
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the Dead they talk about their record collection and video games and and they they really make these characters
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three-dimensional that was completely absent in Baby Driver. And it's the perfect point to make about the
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coowwriter and how why Simon Peg's character creations of Shawn and like
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the great performances that are nuanced between Shawn and Hot Fuzz and uh
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World's End. like Nick and Simon Peg are doing very different character work in
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each one of those movies that are basically just kind of the same movie over and over again with a different
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theme, you know, but those their their acting is fantastic. So now you you
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remove Simon Peg and Nick Frost from like let's say they were in Baby Driver.
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Yeah, it probably would have been a way better movie, but because it's only Simon worrying about the visual like the way
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that the the visuals sync up to the audio and it's and it's all very amazing.
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It was cool, but again, it was cool like the first time and I'm like I don't know what is cuz I love car
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stuff. I love car chases and everything, but for some reason I was just like, you know what, fine, one and done. Don't
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need it. Well, and that's the thing. He does it in so many movies uh very well in in a
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more special way and in Baby Driver it's just kind of hollow where you're just like oh I wish that uh you know there
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was that John Ham and John Barrenthal were in this movie a lot more because once they're not on screen and it's just
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baby that it's it's becomes very forgettable. It's a weird thing where it like swaps villains, right? Like isn't Jamie Fox
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like the villain and then it becomes John Ham? I sometimes that can work for me. I remember that not working. I was
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like, it was bizarre. It was it was very like it's a swing.
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It felt tacked on at the last minute kind of. Look, it's a swing. It again, it could work. Uh minus go for it. Uh for me, it
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didn't land. I'm like I was kind of more invested in the Jamie Fox thing and I didn't really care about John Ham. So,
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when he became the bad guy, I was like whatever. I'm Yeah. Yeah.
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But anyway, we're here to talk about Last Night in Soho. My only the only reason we're recapping this is because now we're fight we've
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I've I've watched them all. And what I'm saying is that what makes Shawn of the Dead so great is Simon Peg's character
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development and writing of that. And then you get uh Scott Pilgrim which was
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co-written by uh Michael Beall who is also co-writing Running Man.
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Okay. Which is significant. That's very significant to me. You know what's funny? He's an actor
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too. Mhm. Yeah. Glorious bastards. A lot of things. But recently we did um Hold on. I make sure
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it's the right guy. Recently we reviewed Yes, we reviewed Urban Legends Final Cut, the sequel to
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the slasher movie Urban Legends. Oh, he's by the way. Way better than the first movie.
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I hate that. I have se I've seen that a couple of times. I don't Yeah, it's a fun slasher. Uh Urban Legends Final Cut is fun because it's a
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slasher in film school and it's all about film. And I went to film school. I'm like I had I never saw the sequel before. But yeah, he's an actor in that.
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He He's Anthony Anderson's like best friend in that movie. Oh, hell yeah. Okay. Now, now now I
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remember that. Yeah, he'll like turn up here and there. He's in whatever Death Proof. And it's certain.
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And the cool thing with um actually real quick, the the cool thing with like Scott Pilgrim was it was also based off a comic, but comic that wasn't done yet.
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So that's actually that was a fun thing with that movie. So like that's why and it's funny. I don't know if you mentioned it that like both like the
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comic and the film were borrowing from each other for the ending. Uh, no, I didn't know that. Okay.
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So, obviously, yeah, obviously the movie made its own ending, but it knew what uh the author was trying to do, but then
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the author liked some of the stuff the movie was doing. So, in the last book for Scott Pilgrim, Ramona was wearing
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the dress cuz he liked how it looked in the movie. So, they it was funny how like they ended up influencing each
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other. Oh, that's funny. The kind of the way that probably like George R. art and had
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to work some [ __ ] from the show into the book or something like that. But yeah, Bri Brian Leon Ali, the comic creator,
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his writing was so significant, you know, they used a lot of that in Scott Pilgrim. So again, that's what makes
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Scott Pilgrim special. The same way that Simon Peg makes Shawn of the Dead special. Yeah. Brian Lee Ali and Michael
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Beall made Scott Pilgrim very different from Shawn and Hot Fuzz. but is my
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favorite Edgar Wright movie is Scott Pilgrim Versus the World. It is I have I Yeah, I've said it from the
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beginning and as a bass playing video game geek that I I could very much relate to
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Scott Pilgrim. No, I totally get that. I love I love the movie. I know it's like cool to hate on it, but I feel like a lot of people
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who hate on Scott Pilgrim didn't actually watch people hate on Scott Pilgrim. These people Yeah. They make fun of like the manic
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pixie dream girl thing, but also like the movie was kind of critical of that as well.
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Like movies like the movie was making fun of that uh character and how like they're not great. They won't save your
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life. Oh, that that's exactly the point that we made when we talked about Scott. I you haven't had a chance to see it yet,
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but the episode that I did with producer Chris, I pointed out both Scott and Ramona
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suck. Yeah. And that's like the point. The point is that they had to take accountability, but I think Yeah. I think some people don't actually watch
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the movie and then they just assume. But anyway, anyway, the movie is [ __ ] amazing. But I I guess I want to ask you since uh we're
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kind of at the end of the uh the discussion of all of these films. What is your favorite movie?
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I'm just going to be safe and say Shawn of the Dead. Uh that is the one that is the one that made me fall in love with
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him. I am a horror guy. I love the George Romero zombie movies. Uh so that one just hits everything for me. If
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we're going best overall, it's definitely the show Space. Uh, if we include TV, it's definitely the show
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Space 100%. But I was out of the movies, it's definitely Shawn of the Dead, Hot Fuzz,
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and then, uh, Scott Pilgrim. Yeah. And then, uh, World's End is pretty
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good. They almost go in order, honestly. Yeah, almost in order. World's End is good, but I don't rewatch that one as
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much. Uh, I think I'd prefer to watch Baby Driver over World's End, personally.
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Maybe. I don't know. I'm g have to watch Baby Driver again. Uh but yeah, I will say um I think after Scott Pilgrim and
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World's End, I think I'm going to rank uh last last night in Soho there. I actually really enjoyed it way more than
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I thought I would. Oh, great. Uh but yeah, Strong of the Dead. That was like a hugely influential film for me. Came at like the perfect point in my
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life in high school and everything while I was getting into learning about behind the scenes, especially when it came to
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horror and the Romero movies. I went to a convention. I got it early because it
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wasn't in America yet. So, like everyone was seeing in theaters and I had a bootleg of it.
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Um, so yeah, that that'll always be the gold stander for me, is Shawn of the Dead. Yeah. And I I have a very special place
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in my heart for Shawn. When you can do both things, like the light and the dark so well, that's what every other movie
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that tried to duplicate the success of that always fails at. So, um I think
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you're right. It's very it's it's such a strong debut uh that it's it's hard to
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beat and it's and it's pretty much beloved. I don't know a single person that would say that's not a good movie.
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So, I'm sure there's some [ __ ] out there who does it. Contrarian dick. Contrarian dick.
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But I'm glad I'm glad you brought up spaced though because um we have been doing segments about spaced and we're
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getting very close to the end with uh episode five and episode 6 of season two
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wherein uh episode five starts with the um it's kind of like a 24 Jack Bower
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intro where they're being chased by some kids.
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Oh, what do you think we should do?
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Let him have it.
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that are trying to get Oh, I remember that one. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. I I've seen space a
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million times, but you you blindsided me with this scripted up here. Now, that's the one with the car keys that they're
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trying to get home to get their house keys. Yeah. Got it. Got it. And you get uh Dwayne Peter Finnitz's
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character shows up after uh not being in the series since the paintball episode in season one, which is maybe the best
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episode of the series. That was a good one. Um, uh, no, no, no. Actually, what, uh, was
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it this season with the male telepathy with the the gun shooting? That's this episode. Yeah.
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Wait, that's this episode? Yeah, that's episode five. Okay. Fun fact. Yeah. Uh, I made a uh short film in film
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school about how I loved that episode and I tried to like do it in real life and like the whole thing is me doing
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fake gun stuff and no one in the film lab reacting because they don't know what I'm referencing. Yeah.
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Uh, and I like I remember like I tweeted it to Edgar Wright and like he put it on
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his blog and like it blew up briefly. I'm like wow. He like friended me on I
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might still be friends with Edgar Wright on Facebook. He doesn't use it. Um, but like yeah, so that was like a cool
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mode. I'm like, "Wow, this is awesome." And then at like two days later, he put out the trailer for Scott Pilgrim and that killed all the views for my video
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because they were only coming from that blog. Anyway, uh, so I love this episode with the male telepathy and everything.
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That's probably one of my favorite space moments ever. If if a group of women spend enough time together, their menstrual cycles
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synchronize. Yeah, but men have got that too, Mike. No, no, no. only got an unspoken
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telepathy. A biological connection between male psyches. Whether they know each other or not, put a group of them
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together, always the same. What you mean? Should we show him, Tim? Mike, I really am not in [ __ ]
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Kids
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You ready? Yeah. This is a solid episode. I love this episode. Yeah, there's great moments. I really
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like drunk Daisy doing Elvis. I don't want to be a tiger cuz
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then you get you do get that bathroom scene with the teens that is basically the same scene as World's End.
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You having a good night? What? Are you having a good night?
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Yeah. when Gary King is trying to ditch his
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childhood friends and hook up with the local teens because his friends don't want to party with him anymore. So, that
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really reminded me of that. Um, one thing I like about this, you said Peter Sandowise was in it. Uh, I
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love when he like he quotes Darth Maul and they put red light on his face to kind of make fun of him that he was
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Darth Maul. Yep. Cuz at that point they very much hated Star Wars.
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Oh yeah, there's a lot of Jar Binks hate in episode one hate in this series. And then they put Simon Peg in a Star
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Wars and now he pretends that uh people care about the black girl from Obi-Wan even though no one does. You see him out
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there? He's like, I can't believe people don't like this character. I'm like, Simon, 20 years ago, like what was the point of that character? That was
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stupid. Her plan was to bunk Darth Vader on the head. Why' you think that would work? But now he gets paid by them. So
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he's like, "Guys are just mean to this stupid Obie." Yeah. Not such a big deal. Why did you hate to see you and McGregor
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Obi-Wan Kenobi? Why are you defending it? Yeah. Anyway, sorry.
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No, that's fine because I like to Edgar loves a running gag and he loves carrying things over from Spaced into
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his films. So, I like pulling like pointing out what has been rehashed from
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Spaced and you know that the red light and then even the well that I I like
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pointing out the references too. So, you get the the frozen Jack Torrance uh shining reference at the end when
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they're sitting outside. I'm cold.
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Which Yeah, I enjoyed that as well. And you get the Jurassic Park reference,
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too. The clever boys. Yeah. So, and that that is why space is
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so much fun. I I was talking about how much I think that Edgar back then was
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influenced by Kevin Smith and the Clerk's dialogue like what Kevin Smith
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was doing with dialogue and mal rats and clerks because it this is maybe two or
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three years after that and it it's got all the comic culture all of the pop culture references that
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it got annoying right eventually that kind of stuff people started overdoing it and ended up noting
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going organic. You get like Big Bang Theory. It's like, well, no, these people are referencing it because they like that stuff. And then you had
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writers just pulling up nerdy references and [ __ ] And that's how you get like cringe [ __ ] like Veto Just Waldi Super
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Killer. Like to actually care about American superheroes to make these kind of jokes. You can't just be
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an anime video game guy who's trying to do superheroes because you think you'll get a movie at some point. Yeah. You're
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not going to get because you're trying to troll Eric July. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but it was it's
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fun when you go back to watch Space and like the first three Edgar movies like, "Wow, it wasn't cringe yet." Other
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people then made it cringe. And there's a way to do it properly that uh is
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endearing and that that's why Simon Peg's writing was so good and so
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significant to the success of Spaced and Shawn and Hot Fuzz. So,
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um, and then, well, just to recap, episode 6, this is the second last
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episode. It's Daisy's birthday that starts with, it reminded me, uh, when Brian is developing the pictures of
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David Fincher, maybe like seven or 8 millimeter, something that kind of vibe
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with he's developing the pictures. No, I think that's a Omen reference. Oh, is it? Okay. Yeah. In the omen, the photographer,
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he's developing pictures and he sees like omens of how the people are gonna die. I think it's a better reference to
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the open. That's a better That's a better pull because it's an omen of what's going to happen with everybody's relationship.
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Andy, I'm starting to think, did you not watch this on Your Space season 1 and two DVD box set?
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I did not. Well, if you did, you could have put the reference subtitles on
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where they mention what every single reference is in the show. Interesting.
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What What an amazing feature that is. There's a subtitle track that literally tells you every single reference in the
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show as they appear on screen. Interesting. Apppropo of nothing. I did watch a a
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YouTube video about where all of the Beasty Boys samples come from and you they play like the the this Beasty Boy
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song and then what the actual thing is sampled from. That was an interesting watch. But I could see how
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I you know what I'd like to do is try and get as many as that that I can
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get and then see the ones that I missed. That would be good. You're going to want to get that box
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set. Uh that it's actually really good. They have like guest uh commentators. So they like uh Quinton Tarantino is a
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guest commentator on the episode where they reference Pul Fiction and it was an accident. They had him on the episode
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for a different reason. They forgot it was the Pulp Fiction reference with the Pop-Tarts and everything. How funny. Uh Pat Oswald's in it when he used to be
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funny. Uh oh yeah, that DVD is worth it. Uh, look, Bill haters on it and he talks about like in
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Hot Rod they were watching like season two and someone came to interrupt them and they were like, "Get the [ __ ] out." Because they wanted to watch the end of
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space because they finally got a copy of it. Uh, I don't know why I'm plugging the space DVD box set, but everyone
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should get it because it's fantastic. And uh, it would be remiss of me to not mention that
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Ricky Derves is also in episode six here. The guy that [ __ ] up Marsha's uh,
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post for the flat. because he's not paying attention. The girl's Marsha is telling him like what she wants for the
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tenants and so he's like flirting with a girl and I think she says professional couples only
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and he accidentally writes it into the thing. So the whole like catalyst for everything was Ricky Jerus not paying
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attention. Oh, it's professional couple only. Sounds nice.
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Professional couple only. Professional couple only. Professional couple only. Professional couple only. Professional couple.
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Sorry about that. Mrs. Fine. Is that everything? Great. Is that going tomorrow?
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Yeah. I love when Marcy goes, "I don't think he was paying attention to me."
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Certainly wasn't. And then Yeah. So then I don't know. I just like to point out that the Logan's
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Run reference and and it ends like Empire Strikes Back. So, these are all
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beloved properties that Edgar loves to shoehorn into space and makes everybody
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feel like that we're all friends together because we all like the same things. It's a it's a very clever way to
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endear yourself to your audience. So, um and then that leaves off with you,
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you know, you're wondering if Tim is Daisy's going to admit her feelings to
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Tim and if they're gonna end up together for the last episode. So, and like Marsha runs away at the end, right? They have to like find her.
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Yeah. Because it ends like Empire: The Strikes Back. I think they Mike and Brian go off to try and find
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Yeah, I think if I remember right, one of them is like wearing white and black or something. Yeah, Brian is dressed like Han Solo.
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Uh, real quick to plug the DVD box set once again, you're going to want to
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watch the behindthescenes documentary that's featured on it cuz it has the official ending of Space at the very
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very end of it. Oh, really? Okay. They shot they secretly work in an epilogue at the end of the behind
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thescenes documentary and it's considered the official ending of Spaced. Okay. I'm gonna have to track that down
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for the the very last episode or I'll rip you off this. Yeah. Yeah. Send it to
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me and I'll include it when we finally do the review for The Running Man, which is
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something that usually I do this at the end of the episode, Tony, but why I don't even care about No, let's save it
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for the end. I do want to talk about Running Man, but let's get through Last Night in Soho just cuz we're obligated
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to. We could talk about Spaced and all the other movies that we love. You know how many times in my life I've derailed
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things by talking about space? This is one of the many, many times. But yes, last night in Soho. It's fresh in my
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brain. Yes, I'm pulling up all the characters names cuz I forgot them. Hold on. Eloise is basically the only one you
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really need to know, but I I just don't want to say things like the black guy. So, I want to make sure I have the characters names up. Thank you
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very much. Black Pete Davidson. That's what I call. But I I did start off trying to express
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the significance of the co-writer. And the coowwriter for Last Night in Soho is
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Christy Wilson Kairens, who is uh significant because she wrote 1917,
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which I never saw. Was it good? It is good. If you like World War I
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movies, it's it it was I don't not not like them. It it was it's good.
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But I will say I watched it once and then never watched it again. So, uh, is that the benchmark of a good movie? I
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don't think so. I probably, if it was good, I probably would have seen it twice. I don't know. There's plenty of movies
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that I think are like great and I kind of only want to watch them once. Uh, or at least not for many, many years. I'll
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be like, I'll wait to watch that. That's true. But yeah, so I'm very unfamiliar with
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this writer. So, yeah, I was as well. But I was surprised that her other big achievement and
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credit was 1917. Very different movie than last night in Soho, which
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uh of course has to start with a musical number.
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There no Edgar Wright movie is complete without some kind of
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I swear one of these days he's just going to do a straightup musical. He has to what whatever it is like Hugh Jackman
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in it and he's done like music videos and [ __ ] He could do it. Yeah, he could do it
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easily. I'm sure he could and it seems like he wants to. I don't know what he's waiting for. We'll see what he Let's see. Is
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there going to be a musical number in Running Man? Where would that fit in? Probably. Well, the fact that it is like a game
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show, there could be like a segment where there is dancing and [ __ ] That's 100% feasible that there could be a
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dance sequence in it. Yeah. Who's you said you didn't want to say black guy, but who's that black guy that's in Running Man from is it from
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uh his name is Michael Ahal. He plays John. Uh
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he's from Severance or from Oh yeah, you're the walking dead.
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Sorry, sorry, sorry. The black guy from Running Man. I met the black guy in Last Night in Soho. Oh, that guy. The black high and running
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man is uh from severance which I hadn't watched but I've seen clips of him in that show. So yeah that'll
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I could see him doing a musical number in the running man. Yeah. Okay. But I digress like
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I digress. So yeah that this is the introduction of
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Eloise Turner or Ellie whatever uh Thomasson McKenzie is that actress's
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name who I'm not very familiar with but I found her very charming in this movie. Uh, her voice irked me the wrong way.
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Um, she's very bubbly and whatnot. I have only ever seen her in one other thing.
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Oh, never mind. Okay, the [ __ ] girl in this movie was in another movie I watched. Uh, and for
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years I thought it was this Thomasson girl because I hadn't seen Last Night in Soho yet, but I'm wrong. Okay, let me talk about the [ __ ] girl.
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I'll bring up the movie I saw her in. Sure. Yes. Uh, Thomas, I haven't seen her in
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anything. I guess she played a character in Hobbit 3. I haven't seen her in anything.
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Yeah, I don't really remember her from much of anything either, but you're we
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she gets accepted to fashion school in London, so she leaves her sleepy English town. And um
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can't you can't forget they introduce early on that she has the shining. Boy, you read my thoughts. You've got
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the shining. You mean shining? Shh. You want to get sued? and she did see ghosts. That's like a This is very
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Stephen King where it's just like, "Oh, and by the way, this character uh they got the shining and they have some kind
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of special ability." Now, let's get back to the story. It's very Stephen King. Like every story, someone has a little
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bit of the shining. They call it different names. Yeah. Uh but that that's her thing. She can kind of see spirits. It's also innocuous
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too because she she leaves her childhood home where her mother committed suicide
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for we this we don't do this like in a linear way Tony so don't worry about like skipping to the end or talking
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about something that happens later but and I'm bringing that up because she sees her mom when she's leaving her
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bedroom and then you don't see the mom again in any single way until the very end of the movie. So, it was only to
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really establish that she has some sort of uh premonition, psychic
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uh visions that don't really seem to like when you say it's like The Shining, but is and then she's like lucid
28:32
dreaming or uh it doesn't really seem to be the same thing. I started equating it to Inception where she's now she's like
28:40
in a dream within a dream where that's kind of bleeding into reality sort of. I think it's because so what I think it is
28:47
this particular version of The Shining. Again, if you read enough Stephen King, there's many different versions of The Shining. They don't always call it The
28:53
Shining. Um I don't know why I just decided this is The Shining. [ __ ] it. Um
28:58
I guess her thing is that she can communicate with the dead and knowing
29:04
the twist at the end of the movie, there's so much dead in that room. Yeah. Yeah, that she's able to like go into
29:11
the So, she's like going into the memories of these dead people. She thinks it's the dead girl. Uh, but these
29:17
dead people. So, she's able to like communicate with them that because I don't think they can just straight up talk to her. Like her mom can't actually
29:23
talk to her. Like, look. So, I think that's like them asking for her help kind of
29:29
and the best way they could do it is have her go into dreams and have her experience the story. Yeah.
29:35
Because she has this ability, she's able to do that. No one else can. Right. And I
29:40
want to maybe ask you, not that I'm expecting you to this answer, but I feel like it's a a plot hole since um like I
29:49
said, spoilers. The it turns out that the Ana Taylor Joy Sandy character isn't
29:54
actually dead at the end. So, when we're saying that uh Ellie can communicate with the dead and she is seemingly
30:03
living this life of Sandy who is not actually dead. So, it's it's
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just that's my my point is that her abilities are innocuous and everyone don't really win them like it doesn't do
30:18
you any favors as a viewer of the movie. when she meets Sandy, the very first
30:23
encounter she has through Sandy's body is her meeting Jack, who is one of the ghosts. There's nothing before that. So,
30:31
I think that is like a I mean, obviously, there's some wiggle room because they want it to be dramatic and a mystery and [ __ ] Maybe the ghost can
30:38
go into Sandy's memories and bring them along with her. Yeah. Uh again, they don't they can't like
30:43
actually talk. It takes it does takes till the end of the movie for one of them to get a line of dialogue out. So,
30:50
I think the best thing they're doing like let's just start at the beginning. Who died first? Jack. Okay, we're going
30:55
to take her to her memory of Jack. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. So, all right, let's
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uh backtrack a little bit. She gets to London before she anything crazy happens
31:07
and she has her [ __ ] roommate that you brought up. And yes, Jakcasta, played by It's Spelled
31:13
All Weird. Uh, hold on. But I I like that you sent me a screenshot and you
31:19
were saying, "I don't understand what the [ __ ] anyone's saying." I watch a lot of like British television and British movies, but these yapping
31:26
broads with their thick accents and whatever the British version of a valley girl is.
31:32
Yeah. Uh I was like, "What the [ __ ] are these [ __ ] saying?" I had to put subtitles on. Yeah. It was a little hard to
31:38
understand. Uh, so Carlson, but the O is like one of those stupid
31:45
O's with a line through it because it's all like European. Uh, she was in a movie called Black Cab
31:51
with Nick Frost about a haunted uh, cab. Actic cab.
31:57
Yeah. Okay. It's not very good. It's not very good. Uh, it was a unique role for Nick Frost
32:03
to take. I was going to say I'll watch Nick Frost in anything. Uh, I I'd say check it out
32:08
just for his performance, but the movie, it's one of those where at the end of this movie, I got it. I mean, the
32:15
mechanics of how the ghosts are doing stuff are a little confusing, but I remember at the end of Black Cab, I went, "What the [ __ ] was that? I didn't
32:21
understand any of that [ __ ] but that's the only thing I know this actress from." Okay.
32:26
And because her and her friends dress up as the girls from the craft, I finally had an excuse to wear this light as a
32:33
feather, stiff as a board shirt that a fan sent me. Andy, I have a fan who for years now has been trying to get me to
32:40
review the Craft Legacy. Do you want to see how bad he wants me to review the Craft Legacy?
32:46
That's a sequel to The Craft. Yeah, he sent me three copies of The Craft Legacy. I didn't even know that that was a
32:52
thing. Yeah, it didn't do very well, Andy. Didn't do very well. And I like The Craft. So,
32:58
he keeps wanting me to review it. He found a book, a coffee table book about the Philadelphia Art Museum and he sent
33:04
it to me. And I didn't get why he sent it to me until a day later when I realized the title of the book was called Crafting a Legacy. He was
33:12
subliminally messaging me to review the craft. I haven't done it yet. I haven't done it yet. I don't
33:18
I don't know if I ever will, Andy. I want to see how many more things he'll send. How many copies of that movie do you
33:24
need? But anyway. Anyway, uh yeah, a [ __ ] right? This this is the catalyst to get
33:31
Eloise to move out of her dorm room and into the haunted flat of uh what is this
33:38
the lady's name? Uh uh she has a misleading name. Hold on. Yeah, Miss Miss Collins on Good Street.
33:46
Alexandra Collins. Yes, is the land lady of the haunted.
33:51
But they have like a different They have a I know that is her full name, but she has like a weird thing in front of her
33:57
name. Hold on. Let me let me find. I know. And they they keep like throwing it in your face at the end of the movie to be like, "Get it."
34:04
Yeah. They're just calling her Miss Collins, but there was something else that that's why it wasn't super obvious at first, but yes. Yes, I get it.
34:10
And this is what I was saying previously that it the power Eloise's powers don't make sense because this land this old
34:17
land lady is Sandy who that Eloise starts dreaming and like living her
34:24
previous life. She is obsessed with London in the 60s as inspiration for her
34:31
fashion designs and at first she's very charmed by
34:36
going back in time in in this dreamscape. But by the way, I love how this is all shot.
34:41
I love like uh when she's under the bed and it goes on for like ever. And I love all the use of the mirrors and stuff was
34:48
really really cool. Uh I know Edgar Wright, he's like real meticulous on how he films stuff. This must have been a [ __ ] pain in the
34:54
ass. Yeah. To shoot and edit and digitally composite and all that stuff, but it's pretty flawless. I enjoy the
35:01
whole thing. I really really liked it. Yeah. Yeah. and he he definitely takes all of the tricks that he's learned in all of
35:08
these previous movies and employs them in a very different and effective way
35:14
like you were saying with with uh certain shots but also when it it
35:19
it kind of looks like a reflection but it one Taylor Joy and the other one is the Ellie Ka character and they they'll
35:28
do like that person when the dance sequence when somebody will like walk in front of the
35:33
camera and then and they they switch places. [Music]
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[Music]
35:59
So all of that fast cut editing that is, you know, the meticulous the the menial
36:04
task edits of hot fuzz are basically built out to very uh you know planned
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out impressive editing shots in last night in Soho. It's a beautiful film.
36:17
Yes. And in case anyone was wondering, this is before Anya Taylor Joy cut her cheeks off.
36:24
I was I got very nostalgic for 2021. I was just like, "Oh, yeah. She still had her cheeks."
36:29
I'd love Yeah. I would love to see the a timelapse evolution of Ana Taylor Joy
36:36
from was that spliced where she's like the alien. She wasn't in spliced.
36:41
Not spliced. What is it? It's She's like the imprisoned hybrid human in
36:48
No, Split. Not Split. Yeah. No, she's the girl in Split. She's not No, you're No, you're right.
36:54
She is in that, too. I'm talking about the one where she's the alien in the prison and and then she escapes and is
37:00
like killing the scientists that were experimenting on her. Morgan. Morgan is the movie I'm thinking of
37:06
and she's in it. Yeah, she's the alien. I never heard of this movie.
37:13
It's basically what I described, but a different name, but not called Splice
37:18
from 26. Oh, yeah. Kate Mara is like this uh uh
37:23
corporate lawyer investigator agent that is trying to like uh discover whether or
37:29
not the their IP of this alien hybrid Ana Taylor Joy Morgan character is, you
37:37
know, a liability. And uh I got to check that out. It's not bad.
37:43
Anyway, I'm not crazy. I just forgot the name of the movie. You're right. You're right. Also, your description of kid in gray hoodie alien
37:50
didn't really help Google search. Yeah. Yeah. Is that E? Which is funny because it is the poster.
37:55
It is her in a gray hoodie, but on a tiny thumbnail, I couldn't tell. Right. Don't let it out.
38:01
Yeah. Anyway, uh I want to see a timelapse super cut of Ana Taylor Joyy's
38:09
appearance between from Morgan to present day. By the way, in this movie, she looks
38:16
pretty normal. There are some parts where she has sunken in cheeks, but I just looked up like the premiere of the movie and her cheeks were like gone. I'm
38:23
like, "Oh, so after the movie, maybe she just got rid of them." I think she I mean, she's a beautiful
38:29
woman. Still Wood. Still it was unnecessary. I'm like, why did you do that? You didn't need to do that.
38:35
Yeah. Who was the doctor who keeps doing that? I don't understand.
38:41
So then we get the the great Terrence Stamp starts making an appearance. This
38:47
was another big Terren Stamp. Yes. But this was another loophole that I
38:52
didn't enjoy about the movie. You would think that if this guy was a a regular
38:58
barfly, that was seemingly a problem for one of the young bartenders that
39:04
somebody would know the guy's name. Somebody would bring up that this is not
39:09
in fact Jack, which they lead you to believe for basically the entire movie
39:15
because he's a red herring. Yes, I know. But it's not realistic. That would it wouldn't happen. She
39:21
wouldn't say, "Who's that [ __ ] creep? that guy that I'm dreaming about uh
39:27
killing people and they'll go, "Oh, that's I can't remember. His name's like Chanty or that was Le Leslie." Leslie ended up
39:33
being his name, right? I don't think she ever asked who his name is. I think she just I don't know if you know this about women, Andy.
39:39
Sometimes they will come to a conclusion in their head and they won't fact check it and they'll just decide it's right.
39:44
But in her head, she's like, "That's got to be Jack. I'm not gonna not gonna look this up. I just assumed that it was Jack
39:51
and that's it." Yeah, because that is something that this movie plays into.
39:58
There's a lot of themes to these movies and there's a lot of themes to Edgarite's movies in general. Uh it's
40:04
very layered and very specific. I don't want to get into the other movies now, but this one plays more around with uh
40:12
you know feminine youth and beauty and aging, but also like sanity and uh free
40:19
will and subconscious and you you so um
40:24
a lot of this is significant to the main character Ellie's
40:31
grip on reality when you look at it through the history of her mom's death
40:37
and her powers and and then you juxtapose that with the arc of the Sandy
40:44
character. Yeah. And how how they are parallel and how they are
40:50
not and how basically the whole movie is Ellie's struggle with sanity.
40:57
Yeah. And but to your point when with just
41:02
women be shopping or you know just like you can't they're just like ruled by
41:09
their emotions. At one point it's just I'm watching this and I'm going oh so this is just a movie about
41:15
vilifying men and there's no there's no such thing as a heterosexual relationship where the guy isn't a piece
41:22
of [ __ ] Well, honestly, like look, well, I think that's why our character
41:27
whose name we remember and we're definitely not going to call him the black guy and I definitely remember his name. I'm not
41:33
David. John is I'm not typing it. It's John. Yeah, I think that's why John exists to show
41:38
that they're not all like that. Unfortunately, Sandy got into a business at a time where all the men were
41:46
terrible because she was only dealing with John's and pimps. Yeah. So, it's not like she was dealing with
41:51
anyone better. She did meet one guy who tried to help her out and uh she didn't take his advice
41:56
and he regretted it. But he and then he comes back for more even though he should have went running screaming down
42:03
the street. But it should be pointed out that this came out in 2021 on the heels of Me Too. This this might as well just
42:09
be called Last Night in Me Too London because well I have I have an issue with the
42:15
end. But they all deserved it. I'm like okay. I don't think they I don't think every
42:21
single one of them deserve to be horribly murdered. I'm sure if they were real [ __ ] I'm sure they were just
42:26
like a lonely horny guy. I don't think they were all manipulative. And also if
42:32
they were people of high stature someone would have caught on that you were killing all of them. Like you wouldn't
42:37
have gotten away with it. So she was definitely killing just sad lonely dudes at one point. Well, exactly. you're not you're not
42:44
going to take any accountability for your decisions that you made that led you to be in the position that you're
42:50
in, which is what does end up happening at the end. But almost all the way up
42:56
until the last Yeah. 10 minutes, five minutes of the movie, it's just like men all men are pieces of
43:02
[ __ ] But I don't I I feel like I feel like because it was
43:08
postme too that they kind of I feel like the end the original ending probably was
43:14
a little bit like hey I know you might have had your reasons but you went about this the wrong way. And you're right the movie tries to do that but it it's more
43:21
leaning toward they had it coming. You just didn't have any other way to do this. I feel like there might have been
43:26
an ending that was a little bit more even, but because on the heels of Me too and whatnot, they were like, "Well, let's play it up that they all had a
43:32
cup." But doesn't it just kind of [ __ ] on its own like all of the table setting that it did thinking while you're watching it
43:40
the whole time that that's the message. Then you get to the end, you realize the old lady is the killer. And then they
43:46
walk it all back and they're just like, "Bitches, be crazy." Yeah. And it just like throws throws at
43:52
the whole message the last hour and like almost two hours out.
43:58
Again, I feel like there would have been a better movie that was just like, hey, you know, shitty things happen, but then
44:03
there is a choice you have to make and she picked she could have just, I don't know, switch careers, left town.
44:10
She decided to just stab and murder people. But I think in a better script at the end, they would have addressed
44:15
that and shown that uh the main girl Ellie wasn't going to go in that route.
44:21
Uh she's learning from what not to do, like you know, but um again, they made
44:26
it after me too, so they played up the whole like it's okay. Yeah, they really leaned into it. I
44:32
feel like it reeks of like rewrites and adjusting the editing the ending to fit
44:38
what was going on at the time, which again sometimes can work. Now feel a little dated. Now
44:44
after what's his face Z onsari got cancelled for just having a bad date.
44:50
People started Do you remember that whole fiasco? Did you guys cover that on your show?
44:55
No, not yet. Oh dude, you got to do that one where the girl wrote like a whole article and it was just like and then he asked me to
45:01
do this and I said yes. And even people who are like super mean to and stuff are like wait so you consented? They're
45:07
like, "Your whole story is that you were just constantly consenting to things and he was asking you if you were okay with
45:13
it and you kept saying yes." Yeah. Uh I want to point out how much like some of the referential things that
45:20
I really liked about this which were the I liked the blue and red lighting of the
45:27
beastro sign. That reminded me of Dario Arento. I thought you meant the blue and red writing I have. That was a coincidence.
45:33
I just always sit in blue and red light. Andy. Yeah. You're just bisexual. Yes. I sit in bisexual lighting and I
45:41
just imagine what it would be like to be I imagine I'm you, Andy. I see my life through your
45:46
Yeah. Yeah. You're living vicariously through me. I live vicariously through Andy. You're watching the You're watching the
45:52
movies that I watched. But I like the Thunderball poster when
45:58
she arrives in old school London. And I like the fembot Austin Powers. uh Taylor
46:05
Joy outfit. That was delightful. We didn't um mention it. Uh the older
46:10
what's her face is Diana Rig, who was Emma Peele in the Avengers, the British Avengers, the SP.
46:16
Thank you. Thank you for saying that because I was try I knew that I recognized her from about a hundred
46:21
things, but I I did not realize that's what she was famous for. So, I feel like that was like kind of in
46:27
that era, too. I I do like the whole Bond girl aesthetic for the whole movie. Mhm.
46:32
That also kind of plays into me, too, cuz now people look back on old Bond movies and they're like, "Those are kind of sexist. They were accepted at the
46:38
time." No [ __ ] But they are kind of sexist. You don't say. Is that a meme that they're taking all the guns out of the
46:45
Bond posters or is that real? Um, it might be real. They they do that sometimes. I remember that's so stupid.
46:50
I remember back in like 2007 there was like a controversy with stamps cuz they did an Audrey Heburn stamp, but they
46:58
airbrushed out the cigarette that was in her hand. So, she was just sitting like this for no reason. I feel like they I
47:03
feel like they're just doing it to put it on like the thumbnails and stuff. They're not taking it out of the movies. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. That would be
47:10
insane. Yeah. Hey, uh we'll not get in trouble if we don't have a gun on the thumbnail
47:15
on our app and like because if they're uploading it to like YouTube, YouTube's kind of weird with guns in the
47:20
thumbnail. I It's stupid, Andy. It's [ __ ] dumb, but I get it.
47:26
Yes. Okay. Yeah, I get it, too. And I recently went to uh Disney World and
47:32
they have taken the the suic the hung guy that kills himself in
47:40
the lobby like when they the lightning crashes and you see the guy hanging from the ceiling. Oh, in the Haunted Mansion.
47:46
Yeah. Yeah. They've taken that out because I guess they don't want to
47:52
think think kids think that suicide is an option which uh fair enough. I just
47:57
it took him a really long time to decide that that was problematic. Yeah, I know.
48:02
What the [ __ ] It's so It's so cool, but it's like, okay, let's not let's not put that
48:08
option on the table for kids. Someone finally went like, hey, you know what? That might be a little too much. Yeah, it was. But that's what makes it
48:15
so great. It's probably the the scariest part of that ride. But the the one change that I do agree with
48:22
uh in Disney World and Disney like the Disney theme parks alone is the only place I'll allow this is not letting
48:29
Jasmine have her bare midriff. I remember people are like they cover Jasmine up in the park. I'm like yeah that makes a lot of [ __ ] sense.
48:35
There's a lot of weird dudes at that park that probably get a little handsome. I don't like that when they remade the movie they put a hot babe in
48:41
it and they covered up her midrift. I'm like what the [ __ ] In the movie it's fine.
48:48
Anyway, yeah. Well, I mean the the it's a cartoon in one place and then in Disney
48:54
World it's a bunch of precubed kids getting boner. Yeah. When I saw people complain about
48:59
naked. Yeah. When people complain about that I was like nah I it makes sense there. I it was weird that they weren't doing
49:05
that in the beginning. Yeah. So then I have in my notes uh is Matt
49:11
Smith handsome or just tall? Because I think he does a good job of being charming and then also a creep. But when
49:18
when they first introduce him, I'm just like, "This guy looks like a [ __ ] Dick Tracy villain, like without the
49:24
makeup." Like he just he looks like he should have been uh you know with Flat Top and Alpuccino.
49:30
I know Matt Smith has always looked weird to me. I mean, obviously we all love him as Milo and MorbiiUs. Uh but
49:38
when they gave him his vampire face, I'm sure you know Morbius like the back of your hand. I don't think they needed to make it digital. They could have just
49:44
gave him the bangs because he already looks weird. bizarrel looking person, but he was doctor he's he's British.
49:51
He's British and has nice hair and Oh, anyone that was ever Doctor Who gets a a pass into your Wright film.
49:59
Only this modern generation of Doctor Who fans from like the early 2010s, uh,
50:05
who were just like sad girls who liked handsome British men. Uh, isn't it funny? Once they made him old and turn
50:10
him into a woman and then a gay black guy, women just stopped talking about Doctor Who. Did you notice that? Notice
50:15
when they made him like an old guy, obviously you're going to keep some around because some girls have daddy issues, but when they made Doctor Who a
50:21
woman and then a gay black guy, every woman I know who loved Doctor Who just stopped talking about Doctor Who.
50:26
Yeah. Funny how that works. It's almost as if they were in it just cuz it was handsome British man.
50:33
How shallow. It's just so funny. Talk about like not understanding your audience. Like, no,
50:39
women pretend to do all that liberal stuff, but they want a handsome British man at the end of the day. what are you doing?
50:46
And at this point, uh, Eloise is starting to imitate Sandy in real life.
50:53
She is having so much fun in her dream. She dyes her hair blonde and she buys
50:58
some retro clothing. This is that uh pickup line where he's like, "It's the least I can do." She's like, "What's the most you could do?"
51:04
She's like, "I don't know why I said that. I thought it sounded cool." Yeah.
51:10
But seriously, go down on me. Um, so and now this is this is the other thing that
51:17
I what you brought up when we started talking about the end and how the older
51:23
woman, the older version of Sandy and her having to take accountability
51:28
for the decisions that led her to
51:34
be because she wants to be a singer like a she wants to be famous and how how quickly from Matt Smith's
51:43
Jack character saying, "Oh, I'm going to make you a star." And she auditions and
51:49
then she's just in a burlesque show uh blowing guys like when at what point you
51:56
say this isn't what I signed up for and go find a different job. The movie should call her out for just
52:03
walking in the club like I want a headline. It's like who the [ __ ] are you? Get out of here.
52:08
Uh [ __ ] The movie wants you to feel bad because she wants to be a star and she
52:13
has to work her way up as a backup dancer. It's like, yeah, that's how it h JLo was a backup dancer for Chatty
52:20
Jackson. Sometimes you have to work your way up places. Yeah. Two digital you work your way up.
52:29
You don't always have to do that, but I'm like by by being a, you know, a a horror in a
52:35
shooting gallery that nightmare scene. But I do love that we're watching this movie from a woman's point of view cuz if this was a man watching it like,
52:42
"Oh yeah, I guess that's how she got her start." But of course it's a woman's lens, they're like, "He didn't make her a star right away. She earned it by
52:48
doing nothing." I'm like, "Of course that would be her reaction to this 100%."
52:54
And when you think that this is a female
52:59
point of view, empowerment or me too kind of movie, when they have the
53:06
bartending scene where even though John is the good guy in the
53:11
movie, he shows up at her bar and she is
53:17
It just reminded me how bartenders are forced to put up with a bunch of
53:23
nonsense that is just part of their job whether and even her boss at the end was
53:29
like they're you're they're supposed to tell you their problems, not you tell Yeah. them yours. But at the same time, it
53:35
just reminded me of so many bartenders that I know that just have to sit there and listen to some sad loser
53:43
talk about how his kids won't see him anymore and he and he's suing two podcasters for making fun of No, I'm But
53:49
I'm just saying all these bartenders have to listen to everybody's problems and they're just kind of held hostage
53:56
with it against against their will and that's just another layer of what's
54:03
happening. to Ellie in this movie on a more normal
54:08
level. I feel like that's more relatable thing than whatever what's happening in her dreams. So
54:15
I I did enjoy a lot of the the tracks which I know Edgar Wright puts a lot of
54:20
thought into but Got my mind set on you was uh one of the ones that I really
54:26
enjoyed and always something there to remind me.
54:39
little favorite of mine and I loved uh Ana Taylor Joyy's like rendition of downtown's
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[Music]
54:56
[Music]
55:02
That was really good. Yeah. Yeah. I like that one. Yeah. So, it's another uh fun element to
55:10
an otherwise kind of depressing movie about going insane
55:15
and then and being forced to have sex with guys that you don't love. What a
55:21
what a fun time we're having. Again, I don't I don't want to victim blame, but it's just like wait, you
55:28
could have like left an audition somewhere else. I don't know if everyone was in on the rapy stuff. I'm sure there
55:33
was like a gay guy who might have been a manager that you could have worked with. Like I feel like you could have went
55:39
around. You're just like, I've already went all in on this one guy. And it's like, okay. Mhm.
55:44
Well, you found out he's a pimp. Maybe look for someone who's actually in show business, right? But and that to punctuate that
55:52
they the only time anybody sort of start starts to pretend to give a [ __ ] is when
55:59
she goes to the police station and the only person that cares is another female cop. Yeah. Well, again, because she's like,
56:06
I'm having psychic visions. And us men would be like, oh, insane.
56:12
You're hysterical. But of course, the female cop is like, you know, my crystals told me that I
56:18
have a a new experience and that my horoscope said that an individual will
56:24
bring something to my attention. So, yeah, I can see why the lady cop be like, you know what, I think she might
56:29
be right. And by the way, the man cop was right. A woman wasn't murdered, so
56:34
technically he was the smartest guy in the room. Yeah. And your your vagina hormones are
56:40
making you crazy. Yeah, we get it. Uh, so I just thought that was another
56:47
it's just another brick in the road that they're leading you down before they rugpull all of this
56:54
dynamic that they're setting up to to um make it seem like men are a problem
57:01
only to just walk it all back right at the end, which I'm as a man I'm glad they did. But
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well, it could be that men created her as a monster, so it's still men's fault.
57:13
Okay. You're such an ally, Tony. Well, yeah. Yeah. Me, the guy who does
57:18
Boys Month, where he kicks the plug up his channel, is very much an ally. Me, good friends with the author of Men Are
57:26
Better Than Women. I'm an ally. it because it does get very creepy with
57:32
the the rape sequence dream where all of the all of the Faceless John's start
57:38
showing up to pay a visit to Ellie. Yeah. And you know, she's trying this. At this
57:44
point, she's losing control of she's not so much lucid dreaming as being dragged
57:50
into these dreams against her will. At one point, Jack just like drags her into the dream and then now in reality
57:58
they're popping up in Ellie's regular life, not not just in the 60s. So,
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well, first she sees like the murder uh thinks is a murder and it happens
58:10
while the guy is there and uh you know the landl. Oh, right. So, do you think that
58:16
wouldn't have happened if John if she didn't is that why Mrs. Collins said, "Don't have guys here." Because that if
58:24
she didn't invite John there, that wouldn't have happened. Um, well, I think I just think she
58:30
doesn't want her fooling around with guys in the house, especially after her history. Yeah. Uh, but then I think
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I think it was so intense that night cuz I do think the girl drugged drugged her.
58:42
Oh, yeah. Okay. Girl might have drugged her. They almost suggested. He's like, "But she's like, "No, I was seeing stuff before that."
58:47
I'm like, "Yeah, but it was real intense that night." Yeah. you might have got drugged and must have [ __ ] up your psychic vision because you saw the thing
58:52
wrong. But yeah, I like the effect of the ghost guys where it's like it's like three guys layered on top of each other
58:59
and they're like cycling faceless like slender manny looking guys. And um this is when so much of
59:07
this movie doesn't play into all of like the Edgar Wright tropes that are
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like the the quick cut uh menial task stuff or the fence gag, no cornetto and
59:21
all of these no car ch Well, there's a little bit of a the car stuff. Yeah. Um, but this is such a departure from
59:29
that until you get the who I was calling the dead John's,
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which is very much like the automatons in World's End or the zombies and Shaun
59:41
of the Dead. It this is kind of something that you would expect to do,
59:46
especially the library scene where, you know, they're just kind of surrounding her. She almost stabs the woman in the head.
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[ __ ] this.
1:00:06
Yeah. Yeah. Look, I get that girl's a [ __ ] and she might have drugged her, but I mean, from
1:00:11
her point of view, she doesn't know ghosts are real. From her point of view, she's like, "Security. The movie still
1:00:17
wants you to think she's a bad guy." I was like, "Well, I guess it was never confirmed if she drugged her, so she didn't drug her."
1:00:22
like, "Yeah, that girl's just a bitch." But Ellie is definitely a problem. Oh, yeah. At this point in the movie,
1:00:28
she's a completely different person from the beginning of the movie. Sure. Her clothes and her hair, her uh happiness,
1:00:35
like she's she's this miserable emo kid now as opposed to a country girl in the
1:00:40
beginning. The end of the movie, skipping ahead to the end, she gets to do a fashion show and everything. And I'm like, she didn't
1:00:47
get kicked out of the school for trying to stab the girl in the head. Which, by the way, I don't know. When
1:00:52
that girl made fun of her, why didn't she just call the uh British police and they could have arrested her? Because they like doing that over there. They
1:00:58
they like arresting people for saying mean things. Yeah. Because somebody's feelings got hurt.
1:01:04
Why did Why did no one ever investigate the death of those men? They were probably investigating someone who used
1:01:09
a naughty word instead. They're like, "This takes priority." Yeah.
1:01:14
That's the worst part of watching Hot Fuzz is that now we know what the British police are actually like. I'm like, uh, this only in the movies. Only
1:01:21
in the movies. I guess I forgot how you just saw it, so
1:01:27
you didn't know how it was going to end. And I had watched it and I forgot how it ended. But when I was taking notes, I
1:01:33
wrote, "Is sex work work or are women victims?" Like, what are we what are we
1:01:39
what's the message we're trying to I don't think in the 60s from her generation, she would have considered it legitimate work. Now, you know, as a sex
1:01:46
worker, I do have an only as now we know it is legitimate work.
1:01:52
Yeah. But she's still using the W word, which I don't think modern sex workers appreciate so much.
1:01:58
Yeah. She's like, "Yeah, you know, being an actress and a [ __ ] is kind of the same thing." I was waiting for Ellie to be like,
1:02:03
"You're not supposed to say that anymore." Yeah. Come on, grandma.
1:02:11
Um, I will say I knew for sure Terrence Stamp was a red herring. Uh, I kind of called that right away.
1:02:18
Okay. And then when they showed like the guy in the flashback saying she doesn't belong there, I'm like, that's going to
1:02:24
be Terrence Stamp. Yeah. And I I I knew there was going to be some kind of twist with um what's her face? Sandy.
1:02:32
Uh, but I will admit, I guess I was just so focused on being proud of calling out the red herring. I totally didn't catch
1:02:38
that. land lady was going to be Sandy. I'm like, "Oh, I celebrated so much I actually took my
1:02:43
eye off the big reveal." Yeah. I think when I watched it the first time, I was like, "Well, who are the old people in this movie that were
1:02:50
alive during the 60s?" And I narrowed it down to her. So, um I I think I it it
1:02:56
was one of those things where right before they reveal it, I figured it out, which so so that I felt smart. They let
1:03:03
they let me figure it out. So Terrence Stamp is the red herring.
1:03:09
And I did like the the way that he died. It reminded me of the way that Kevin's I mean I didn't like that he died, but it
1:03:15
reminded me of Kevin Spacy getting killed in Driver. And you're always sort
1:03:20
of waiting for that Edgar Wright over-the-top violent kill. You tell her I said hello.
1:03:30
That is a trope of his. So, it takes a while for the violence to show up because then we get like the
1:03:36
flashbacks to all the other murders and they're super bloody, but it takes a long time to get there, right? And yeah, the the end of the
1:03:43
third act, it does start to get I guess that's a a good point to make about
1:03:48
this. I wonder if I would have liked it more if they had more horror forward
1:03:55
sequences in the beginning of the movie because when it gets towards the end, it starts getting pretty freaky and
1:04:01
Yeah. No. a haunted house. But you like the slow slowb burn. Yeah, I like the slowb burn. I like ease
1:04:07
into it. I didn't know I knew there was going to be like a thriller aspect. I didn't know how much horror we were gonna get.
1:04:12
Uh I didn't realize it was going to be like a straight up mystery, though. I enjoyed the mystery aspect of it, like what happened to the girl, what's the
1:04:18
twist. I Yeah, I really enjoyed that. So, no, the slow burn worked for me and the whole buildup to the ghost and
1:04:24
whatnot worked for me, too. Yeah, and I I agree. I like uh a good mystery and figuring out why things are
1:04:30
happening. So, uh, that reveal that the old lady was actually you thought that
1:04:37
that Jack or whoever I I guess that is the question like
1:04:43
why were the the ghosts of the the dead John's showing up
1:04:52
if it Well, I think she buried them in under the floorboards. Well, right. I know. I know in the end
1:04:57
when they finally reveal it why they were all there, but it's like why was she seeing them before that? And you
1:05:02
could just say, well, it was the 60s. They're all dead now. And she's just seeing the ghost of the people that were once there. Well, it might be it might be like The
1:05:09
Shining where like, you know, them the hotel learns that Danny has The Shining and they're like, "Oh [ __ ] we should
1:05:15
use it." The ghost might have been like, "Hey, there's someone who could actually like communicate with us in a weird way
1:05:20
sort of like we should uh all be in there giving her vision so we get revenge." And like
1:05:26
at the end like they're holding her down, but they want to just give her the phone. They're like, "Please." Yeah. I guess their souls can't rest until she
1:05:32
dies. Yeah. And they're reaching out to her for help instead of attacking her, which you think the whole time. Yeah. It was a
1:05:39
little uh confusing, but in in a way that leads to the big reveal at the end,
1:05:45
which is cool with the fire and the the when there I guess I did not like
1:05:51
that sequence where it looked like uh Sandy was on the spectral staircase.
1:05:57
It's really the old lady chasing her up the stairs. And I didn't I didn't think that looked very good. Um, from a from a
1:06:05
visual effects point of view, it was some awkward green screen unfinished. Yeah. Uh, and maybe it
1:06:12
wasn't entirely Maybe there were maybe there were like re-shoots at the end. I'm not sure cuz that's usually like wonky digital
1:06:19
effects at the end of a movie usually signifies like re-shoots. Yeah, that Yeah. So, I guess I I got
1:06:25
that impression from that sequence, but it did remind me a little of the fight
1:06:31
at Scott Pilgrim where they're on it was reminiscent of that. So, I I like
1:06:36
it. There might have been in the original ending. There might have been a scene where Ellie's like, "Hey, I get that you killed your pimp. Why did you keep
1:06:43
soliciting men just to murder them?" It seemed like you were out of it at that point and clearly just became a
1:06:50
landlord. Why did you It seems like you just like murdering. That's That's usually what they do in move. Like that
1:06:57
happens a lot superhero movies where it's like, okay, I'm sympathetic to your cause and I understand where you're
1:07:02
coming from, but you're going about it the wrong way. Yeah. The movie if I feel like the movie is trying to
1:07:07
build up to that, but I feel like they rewrote it to be like, "They all deserved it, but you're bad."
1:07:12
That's what I That's what I mean. You stabbed the guy back. He You stabbed the guy downstairs and he's one of the
1:07:18
good ones, so you're bad now. So, I guess I guess Sy's like, "Uh, well, he wasn't one of them, so I guess I'm bad."
1:07:24
Well, right, though, and it goes back to what when she first gets turned out. It's like, okay, this this isn't what
1:07:30
you signed up for. Why are you staying and now, all right, you've killed your pimp. Maybe let you could argue that it
1:07:36
was in self-defense. Yeah. Why do you continue to kill men then? Yeah. You hate men.
1:07:43
She's going out of her way to lure men and kill them. And it's not even like I mean, people will stay in shitty
1:07:48
stuff. It's like was she hooked? She didn't seem to be hooked. I know there were people who were hooked on drugs, but she didn't seem like one of them.
1:07:55
Yeah. Yeah. She was drinking a little much, but she clearly kicked that in her old Yeah. And it see but there was a lot of
1:08:00
people getting like tying off in that nightmare sequo
1:08:17
[Applause]
1:08:24
was one of them. But like that's like I guess that's a lot of people do it though. A lot of pimps do that. They they make you not
1:08:32
that I'm I know. Not that I've done it to all my girlfriend. Tell us more. Tell us more Andy about
1:08:37
your pimp face. We all know my pimp hand is strong Tony and uh my
1:08:43
heroin dealer my heroin connections and my pimp hand. But so yes, you you wanted
1:08:50
to be a famous lounge singer. You got turned out, but you stayed. Then you
1:08:56
kill your pimp. Now everything everybody's dead. And I think now that we're talking about this and I'm and I'm
1:09:02
saying, why is this painting every guy as a bad guy and vilifying men? It's
1:09:08
because that's the perception of Sandy that she's poisoning Ellie's mind with
1:09:14
and driving Ellie insane. Okay. Um because Sandy is a a psycho killer
1:09:21
that hates men. Yeah. And you just kind of think that that is the message of the movie when really
1:09:27
it's just the motive of the killer. So, I think I'm I'm while we're talking
1:09:35
about this, I'm answering my own question about why this movie does such a 180 right at the end. And it's because
1:09:41
it's it's to un to reveal the motive of the killer.
1:09:47
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Maybe this movie is better than I thought. Good. It's good. I just I feel
1:09:53
like the movie should have made it more clear at the end that she did become no
1:09:58
matter how tragic she is, at some point she decided to become a bad guy. And they're afraid to say that
1:10:03
because it was so postme too. And they're like, "Well, you can't say it now because now every girl watching
1:10:08
this is going to think she's a hero. They're not going to relate to her being like, maybe I shouldn't be doing that."
1:10:14
Now, you think way now you'd be able to do it the right way. It wasn't clear
1:10:19
enough that they kept cutting to the mail envelope with her real name on it.
1:10:24
Alexandra Sandra. Alexand
1:10:32
you can show me 10 times. It doesn't mean more because you showed it a fifth
1:10:37
time. I love that she just had the picture of her on I guess I guess she never went into her apartment downstairs. Yeah,
1:10:44
there wasn't any great picture of Ana Taylor Joy there and I'm like, "All right, I guess she for a minute I'm
1:10:49
like, how did she miss that?" But I'm like, "All right, if she was never in that room, then I'll give her a pass." Well, maybe she was though um when they
1:10:56
she first moved in. Maybe that that scene was down there. I don't know if they cut to that or not.
1:11:01
I' I'd say that I'm going to go rewatch it, but I'm not. I might watch this one again now that I
1:11:07
know all the pieces. I want to see if I missed anything. Yeah, because he does layer his movies with stuff and this one actually got my
1:11:14
interest. I think I might want to watch it again. Not anytime soon. Yeah. See if there's like some breadcrumbs like usual suspects type of
1:11:21
because I do like to with a mystery feel like I had a chance to figure it out.
1:11:27
So, uh yeah, and knowing Edgar, he loves Easter eggs and you know, running gags and putting
1:11:34
something in the beginning that's going to be relevant at the end. So, uh, yeah, maybe it is worth a second
1:11:39
watch, but I I want to thank you for, uh, watching
1:11:44
that one because I know you've been been waiting to get around to it and it wasn't really
1:11:50
you. I saved for you, Andy. You, you saved me, you saved everybody else from have me having to find
1:11:56
somebody to do this one because you said, "Oh, I want to watch. I I haven't seen Last Night in Soho yet. this will
1:12:02
be a reason for me to watch cuz you were obviously one of the first people I reached out to do this and you and I big
1:12:08
ones so I'm like well let's do one of the smaller ones. Yeah. So, uh yeah, you you you jumped in
1:12:14
front of the bullet for everybody else that didn't with the film. I thought it was fine.
1:12:20
Yeah. Honestly, all the other ones that I thought would be more uh tricky to find people to want to watch. We did uh
1:12:27
World's End with uh Huzzy. So, the perfect I'm sure that was great. I'm sure perfect guest to do a a pub crawl movie
1:12:36
with. Um and uh yeah, and then Baby Driver, you know, that that was a pretty
1:12:43
easy one to fill, too. So, they're all good. I I've been sitting here picking
1:12:48
these apart and saying what's wrong with uh and what's good. I'm saying what I like, too. But I while while I throw all
1:12:55
this criticism at him, it's only because I enjoy Edgar Wright so much. Pretty
1:13:01
much all of the films that as we get to this last episode that uh that we've
1:13:08
talked about, I I I just like them all. So, I was very excited to do this. And
1:13:14
you really can't miss out with him. Uh, real quick, I was going to ask at some point me and Johanna, because we did um
1:13:20
the Scott Pilgrim movie together, uh, we kept saying we would do eventually do a live episode on the Scott Pilgrim
1:13:26
Netflix show and then we never did. Have you ever checked that out? I I swear I've seen the first one or
1:13:34
two, but I forgot it even existed. So, I think you know what happened? I think it
1:13:40
was coming out like week to week. Yeah. And I watched the ones that were available and then they stopped being
1:13:45
available and then I forgot it existed. Um if any point you want to do that you that the problem with that is it's a
1:13:51
continuation of the comic. But it has the voice cast from the movie. Uh that would be fun to do at
1:13:57
some We should try to do that at some point. I wouldn't mind doing that and I I didn't mind that show.
1:14:02
Yeah. I thought the show was fine, but a lot of people watched the first episode and they were like, "Uh, woke." And I'm
1:14:08
like, "All right, come on, guys. Check it out a little bit. It's not what I would have done with the
1:14:13
Scott Pilgrim Show, but it it worked. It worked for me." Maybe we can do that in the future.
1:14:18
Yeah. Well, at least they didn't make Velma a different race or something.
1:14:25
Oh, and that's something that happened in space, too. the I remember in uh episode or one of the episodes they walk
1:14:31
in and throw the keys on the thing and it's Shaggy and Velma and in episode one
1:14:37
they compared Tim and Daisy to Shaggy and Velma and they did like a still
1:14:42
where they were dressed like them and it was a a call back to the very first episode and I found that delightful. So,
1:14:50
you know what I you know what I think I might have found? Um Yep. I found it. If we should do a
1:14:58
bonus thing. Uh, the space unaired 2009
1:15:03
US pilot. They remade space for an American audience. Really? Oh, yeah.
1:15:08
Bill Will Saslo I think is the mic character in it. Okay. Uh, the pilot never I ju I remember
1:15:15
seeing clips of it years ago, but I'm seeing on Reddit now someone uploaded the full space pilot from 2009.
1:15:24
I think we should take a a fun Patreon bonus. Yeah, I want to do that. I'll live react to it live.
1:15:31
Okay, let's do that. Let's set that up at some point. Yeah. And the Scott Pilgrim show. I I
1:15:36
kind of want to look at some of the other tangental Edgar Wright stuff. That sightseers movie that Kaye brought up on
1:15:43
her new latest episode. Yeah. And then he was very close to directing Ant-Man as well. And I feel like when
1:15:50
you story and everything for Yeah. When you watch Ant-Man, it feels like an Edgar Wright movie. So maybe
1:15:55
that could be a follow-up uh companion episode to that. Attack the Block is good.
1:16:01
Oh yeah, I bring up Attack the And Frost is in that. So did Edgar produce that?
1:16:07
Yeah, he produced it. I [ __ ] love that. The creature design of those. Yeah, if I remember right is awesome. If
1:16:14
I remember right, the director of it is Joe Cornish, who is he's usually Edgar
1:16:20
Wright's cinematographer. Huh. Or or coowriter. It looks like co-write.
1:16:26
It's his co- Yeah, it's his coowwriter, not cinematographer. Um, yeah, like he helped write Ant-Man,
1:16:32
Adventures of Tintin, and a bunch of other stuff. So, yeah. Great. Yeah, that makes sense because I
1:16:39
I love Attack the Block and that remind See, how did how did I not know that
1:16:44
since even just Nick Frost is the biggest clue, but then you have those the the kids look like the kids in uh
1:16:52
Hot Fuzz when they're like wrecking Yeah. Yeah. So, that makes total sense
1:16:58
now that you mentioned it. But well, I have to ask your uh hopes and
1:17:03
dreams and opinion of Running Man. What what is your thoughts about the original
1:17:10
and your anticipation of the new one? Um, Running Man the movie is probably my
1:17:18
top in my top four favorite Arnold movies. Let me see. Predator obviously number one. Conan the Barbarian number
1:17:25
two. Uh, Total Recall. Total Recall is good. Not up there quite
1:17:32
and uh I think Running Man might be kindergarten cop. No, no, no.
1:17:37
Um, no, Running Man for sure for me. I remember seeing it when I was like far too young to be watching it on HBO at my
1:17:44
grandmother's house, not knowing what it was going to be, and it's just blowing my mind. So, yeah. No, I love the original Running
1:17:52
Man. Having said that, uh, knowing a bunch of Stephen King
1:17:58
fans, the one thing I hear is that it is like almost nothing like the book,
1:18:03
right? So, when it comes to remakes based off a source material,
1:18:09
I'm usually more lenient. Like, everything in me should be like, "Oh, [ __ ] that remake. Oh, [ __ ] that." But
1:18:14
I'm like, "Nah, if it's based off a book, I'll give it a pass." Especially since the, as much as I love Running
1:18:20
Man, it's not like the book. I'm I am going to listen to the audio book before the new movie comes out to see how close
1:18:26
it is. Okay. Cuz sometimes they'll use the book as an excuse for it to be different, and then it's nothing like the book, and it
1:18:32
sucks. Uh, but I am pro The new running man. Oh, also number four is Terminator
1:18:38
1. Yes, Terminator one more than Terminator 2. Uh, because my boy Glenn
1:18:43
Pal is in it. And as you know, me and Glenn Pal are like the same person. Did you know that, Andy?
1:18:48
Obviously. Yes. Well, we were both I thought I was talking to Glenn Pal this whole time. A lot of people do cuz you know in
1:18:55
Twisters, he was a YouTuber. sold shirt sold shirts with his face on it and we were both in the Dark Knight Rises and
1:19:01
we're both extremely handsome and our butt looks good in jeans. I People often say, "Is that Glenn Pal?" And I go, "No,
1:19:07
ladies, I'm Tony from Hack the Movies. I have a beard. I'm different."
1:19:12
The comparisons don't end. I do like Glenn Pal though. You know, it's funny. It started off as a joke,
1:19:18
but now I'm just like actually really like I'm excited for his show. Chad, I'm excited for that.
1:19:24
I I remember him back when he was on uh Chad Radwell on Scream Queens on that
1:19:30
Fox show with Emma Roberts and he was [ __ ] hilarious on that. So, I've been aware of this guy for a while and
1:19:36
and the trailer for Running Man was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. I'm like, "All
1:19:42
right, I I'm on board with this. It looks like a good time." Yeah. Uh I'll read the book. Uh, but I
1:19:48
honestly if it sucks, it's not like it's going to ruin the original Running Man
1:19:53
for me. Yeah. I don't Yeah. The original Running Man.
1:19:58
Enough time has gone by where I think it can be mutually exclusive and the book
1:20:03
is different enough from the Arnold one that Yeah. Uh, we can enjoy this for what it's
1:20:08
going to be and not uh hold it hold it too precious to the Arnold one. Yeah.
1:20:15
Yeah. I think it's a perfect story for Edgar with based on
1:20:21
what I know of the Arnold one with the the various villains versus uh the way
1:20:26
that like Scott Pilgrim has all the different villains that he fights. It seems like a onetoone kind of pacing
1:20:33
that Edgar is going to be able to lean into. And especially when I said
1:20:38
like I said at the beginning uh Michael Ball and Edgar are co-writing this one together which and everything that I
1:20:47
just described are Scott Pilgrim and Running Man being similar. So I think it's going to work
1:20:52
and if I'm wrong then I I will come on this
1:20:58
program and admit that the movie sucked but I don't think it's going to. And if
1:21:03
you have a chance to watch it opening weekend, I think we're gonna do a live stream where everybody that participated
1:21:09
in the the reviews of the whole catalog will have their chance to say what they
1:21:14
thought of The Running Man. So, yeah, I'll probably dip in for that. Yeah. Yeah, I'll let you know about that. And
1:21:20
uh do you have anything that you would like to plug at this time as we get to the end of the show? Just Hack the Movies. Follow me on Hack
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1:21:36
how consistent I'll be at the time this airs. What game are you playing? Uh right now I'm playing Silent Hill F
1:21:43
uh because I reviewed the first Silent Hill movie and just coincidentally a brand new game came out. So I was like, "Oh, I guess I'll I never actually
1:21:50
played a full Silent Hill before." Okay. And this one is so far removed because it's in Japan or whatever. So, I'm like,
1:21:56
"Oh, I guess I'll start with the one that's least like all the other ones." You're like, "H Halloween 3 is my favorite Halloween movie."
1:22:03
Well, I wanted to play the remake of Silent Hill 2, but there's like a year-long exclusivity to PlayStation,
1:22:09
and I'm an Xbox guy, so I'm like, I got to wait until that runs out. Luckily,
1:22:15
the new one was on all platforms, so I'm like, good. Boom. Got it. Uh, but yeah, just follow me on HackMov uh
1:22:21
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better notifications. You should do that if you haven't done that yet. We'll talk about that off air. Um, yeah. So, uh,
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better notifications because YouTube sucks with notifications. So, all the free videos I also put on Patreon. So,
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it's like becoming your hub for everything. Nice. Yeah. Look up where I'm going to be
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next. Uh, unfortunately, not all three days of Monster Mania because I forgot to buy a table.
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Oh, no. So, keep an eye out on where I'll be next. Fantastic. And yeah, I want to thank
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