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hello and welcome to another episode of zwix flick the edwick podcast I'm your host Ryan and with me for really for all
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intents of purposes the second to last episode of my minseries journey of zwick's films the studio films that made
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it to the theater I've got with me returning three time now guest co-host Craig how you doing all right Ryan thank
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you it's always great to sit down and chat movies with you it's always a fun time so thanks again well you are uh a
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true pleasure to podcast with one because you're good at it two your opinions and insights are uh
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and well thought out I know you don't research I know you don't take notes but you're just so natural at it yeah and then Doug will be returning for his a
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third and final episode with trial by fire which I have not seen so today
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though today we're covering another Tom Cru film that's why you picked this I believe is because it why did you pick
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this first or last Samurai I can't remember now I'm pretty sure I picked Last Samurai first I think Pawn
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sacrifice was the last movie I I picked it was like I'll do this and I'll do jack Creer and then I think you were
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like oh I need somebody to do pawn sacrificing you know me I'm never one to
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be afraid of an assignment and if I remember correctly regarding our Pawn sacrifice review that
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again people go listen to if you haven't already you weren't well we both weren't we weren't too crazy about that film so
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was this viewing of Jack Reacher maybe more fun for you overall I think in the
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last year I've watched never go back this Jack Reacher sequel last night when I watched it was the third time in the
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past year that I've watched it probably like this time last year I watched it just for fun I I don't think I'd ever
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seen it so I was like oh let me watch never go back it's on Paramount plus and then when I knew we were doing this
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episode I watched it again probably three weeks ago okay but then you told
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me you watched the first movie and I was like [ __ ] let me go watch the first movie and then I watched the first movie
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and I was like well damn now I have to watch never go back again just to make sure that I don't right get the two
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movies mixed up so fair enough oh wow okay you really have given Paramount
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plus some of their viewership for this film it's not this isn't a hard movie to watch I think we ultimately concluded with Pawn sacrifice was that it was just
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such a missed opportunity yeah there oh that's right we said at the end there that they
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should have focused on the last twom minute prologue they did yeah they
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should have made that the film the whole conspiratorial stuff him in Exile that would have been a much more fascinating film and maybe that film has yet to be
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made put it that way it's one that can still be made okay oh yeah all right so let's get into we uh if you haven't dear
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listener already heard our thoughts overall regarding Tom Cruz we're gonna get into him again we we'll save him for
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last when we do our cast review but go check out our Last Samurai episode where we gave our praises and thoughts on Tom
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Cruz and Tom Cruz interacting with edwick because it's going to be a little bit shorter regarding him today just
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because you know we've already done that but we will repeat a couple things but we'll start with the fact the film came
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out in 2016 of course is based on the book series by Lee Child this is an
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author who who's what's another character like a Tom Clancy type character like a Jack Ryan type or
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what's another one I had another one in my brain that that has well like if you go back to 60s and 70s you got like M
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ban James Bond the Executioner The Specialist there you go yeah yeah right
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it's it's in that vein it's the lone sort of traveler it's kind of like the template they use for the Incredible
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Hulk too oh the show in the 70s every week he was in a different town and he
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was solving a different mystery and then he traveled on or also what Highway to Heaven I don't know if you remember that TV show I yes of course yeah yeah so the
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Jack Reacher novel series I haven't read any of them I I assume they're popular
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oh they're very popular I've read one of them I read the first one and I kind of
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said I'm good I I understand I understand the concept but yeah it's a long running series 29 books I just
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looked up 29 yeah and actually I think they've switched authors at this point Lee Child was the original author and I
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think in the last couple of installments his brother has actually taken over oh
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wow which isn't really that rare for lack of a better term men's Adventure
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fiction there's authors that have died and there's still books coming out written by other authors characters
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outlive their creations and uh I guess that's a good thing yeah like Conan Sherlock Holmes those
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type of books so Jack Reacher the character very popular novel form so it only makes sense that he would have a
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shot at the at films before we talk about this film let's talk about the first film Jack Reacher and that came
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out 2012 I believe yeah and it was directed by the mission impossible guy
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Christopher mcari Christopher mcar and Tom Cruz are pretty much they're pretty much best buddies regarding film are
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they not now like that's they're kind of like Partners more or less Chris mccar his big break was the usual suspects he
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wrote that yes that's correct he actually wrote a movie before they called Public Access which film directed
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by Brian yeah it was Brian singer's debut film and then Usual susp Suspects was the basically Public Access was in
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Quint Tarantino world was his Reser and The Usual Suspects was the Pulp Fiction yeah I was trying to remember when him
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and singer broke off but then he went and did like way of the gun which was his sporal debut he he a big script
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doctor prior to getting into directing he was just doctoring a lot of scripts which for people who may not know you
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know Ryan writes a script that Joel Silver buys and says oh man I love this script but then it goes through a dozen
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Studio notes and Ryan's like I I'm just not equipped to do this so they bring in
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a script Doctor Who will just do a punch-up an uncredited punch-up on the script they'll give him x amount of
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dollars and sometimes it's a dialogue polish Tarantino has done a bunch of yes
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in the late 90s if you remember Crimson Tide there's a lot of very like that's right there's a lot of Tarantino esque
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dialogue in there and it's because Tarantino wrote it that's awesome I love I don't know how he I don't know how him
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and Cruz connected because it seems like the Mission Impossible movies they
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made what and they made what like four of them at this point so they connected on the film Valkyrie is my guess Cu uh
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he wrote and produced right yeah the plot to kill Hitler yeah that's okay I'll just say this what Tom again he was
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great in that film that's a great film yeah the cool thing about that is and I've seen this technique done before it
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starts with Tom Cruz writing in his journal right in German and you hear German you hear a German voice over and
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it slowly transitions to English so it's like done that a few times they did that in a movie we just did I did with
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somebody on another podcast actually was a guest on another podcast forget the name of it I'm sorry but they probably don't listen to this show so doesn't
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matter anyways where I did The Hunt for Red October yeah no it's a great technique I think it's a great cinematic
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technique that's like hey we all know they're speaking German right we don't want a two-hour movie where everybody's
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speaking German and 90% of the audience is gonna have to read subtitles right yeah it's like we get it this is now
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Sean Conor now has a Scottish accent but's he's a Russian submarine Captain just get over it okay let him act with
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his Scottish accent like who cares you know what I mean so anyways he wrote
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valkrie produced that and did singer direct that oh yes he did yeah direct that okay
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that's still the singer mcquary connection but now Tom Cruz has entered the mix then mcquary went on to write
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the tourist then he wrote and directed Jack Reacher okay the first film but at this
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time he had yet to direct Mission possible his first directing film with Tom was Jack Reacher in 2012 and then he
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wrote Edge of Tomorrow for Tom okay based on the graphic novel and then he
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directed mission of possible Rogue nation in 2015 with Tom it feels like Jack reisher was probably a test
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obviously you can do this kind of movie we can give you the mission impossible
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budget so well why don't we talk briefly about the first Jack Reacher film I Didn't Know Jack Reacher from whoever as
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a character in the novels but of course in 2012 the internet was alive and well I heard chatter right away because
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people love to be critical the one thing I love about the internet is how critical everyone is this is so fantastic to read complaining and
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negativity isn't that fantastic about everything it's fantastic so one of the things that people said right away was
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Tom Cruz is too short to play Jack Reacher and look I get it if you're a fan of the books I understand it this is
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the character you have in your mind I would also say Tom Cruz has never dialed in a performance oh yeah so regarding
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the Jack Reacher character not knowing what Jack Reacher was like as a physical presence in the novels I watched that
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film as a great action spy and I quite enjoyed that first film you oh absolutely we've since gotten the Jack
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Reacher TV show on Amazon if you look at the Jack Reacher on paper it's a stereotype big buff guy who doesn't talk
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a lot Tom Cruz and and mcar are both intelligent enough to realize that you
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don't have to play into the tropes all the time and Lee Child it might have been they gave him enough money but Lee
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Child even signed off on it he was like hey this is kind of cool but I'm sure Lee Child saw the opportunity to be like
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wow I'm going to sell even more books so it's better for me to you know be yay Tom Cruz is opposed to yeah it's a bad
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choice I guarantee you at least one book was bought because a Tom Cruz fan bought the novel oh yeah absolutely you can
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even look at Daniel Craig his James Bond yeah the J Daniel Craig does Bond blonde
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Bond wasn't yeah he doesn't resemble James Bond very much at all although I
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will say this in the novels James Bond is sort of
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he's not really handsome in Deon Aire he's sort of presented as looking like a
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thugra he fit that mold a little bit better than let's say Pierce brosman sure yeah very deonar yeah dear but that
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first Jack Reacher it's a cool movie to watch and there's some really cool sequences you've got that bathroom fight
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which is such a cool sequence it's fighting in an enclosed space there's
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just enough comedy there but it's still a satisfying action uh piece and then
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got W hog playing a bad guy oh my goodness yeah the prisoner and then you've got a pretty good car chase even
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though I remember after seeing that movie in theaters I chatted with my dad about it who was a big fan of the books
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and he's like yeah Jack rer doesn't drive well yeah this is a different
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medium it's a film sure film no but that's a good movie and it makes complete sense that there was a followup
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sure I'm really really surprised that it didn't become a series although I often wonder if Cruz just didn't have the the
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bandwidth to work on another franchise well yeah I was thinking that too had it
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become well yes and no because he tried tackling another franchise with Ed tomor which actually did very well but I don't
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know if it did well enough at the time I think there is some there is some Scuttle but they are doing a sequel to that and he also tried the mummy too
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yeah so he's not opposed to doing other franchises and but for whatever the obviously Top Gun I believe a Top Gun 3
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is actually in the in the work so I it's just oddly enough Jack Reacher maybe
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because he was doing the mission apost maybe it's just too much it's a very similar Lane yeah it was just Ethan Hump
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by a different name maybe and that's not a criticism so much as it's just Ethan Hunt but he's called
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Jack Reacher because there was nothing about the Jack Reacher character played by Tom Cruz but played well where I
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thought to myself Ethan Hunt couldn't do this it was almost like a poor man version to Mission Impossible and it's
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it's not an insult on the films but it's almost like we already have our big Thanksgiving dinner but you're trying to sell me a very yummy grilled cheese
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sandwich and look don't get me wrong it's very yummy I I like grilled cheese sandwiches but I got this turkey Feast here that you're already giving me and
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you're asking me to have both at the same time yeah that's a valid statement yeah
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so that I think that could have been part of the fatigue Tom Cruz has proven despite some of his own as we've said
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before the controversies that surround him he's not boxed off as poison but the projects might be I think Jack Reacher I
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think the negative talk about his height I don't think helped like it's too bad P way if the character in the Jack Reacher
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novels was 5 foot eight with brown hair almost describing Tom Cruz to a te but
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they just called him Jack Reacher in the novels and then he gets cast everyone would be saying oh this is the perfect
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fit I just wish Tom did it when he was younger it's just unfortunate that within the novels this character for 20
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novels at that point had already been established as a 6'3 Behemoth of a character so that negative chatter does
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affect box office yeah but at the same time you almost wonder if there would
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have been a Jack Reacher movie without Tom Cruz like Dolph lungren as Jack Reacher
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we wouldn't get the movie we got at what point does a big lumbering guy or Triple
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H from the WWE as Jack Reacher that's straight to DVD streaming it's not a big
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Paramount sky dance theatrical release so we did mention briefly the TV series
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Reacher that I believe is on Amazon Prime two seasons in third Seasons I just dropped the trailer for the third season have you seen that TV
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show I watched like half of it and I I don't know I'm starting to have a problem with modern TV wow to me Ryan it
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feels like a lot of television shows is just this race to the Finish Line where it's like you the last episode I believe
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or one of our episodes sorry it was for a different podcast but you mentioned I loved your analogy how did you say it
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was like you're basically giving plot points just to get to the end of the 40 minutes yeah yeah yeah you're connecting dots
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and like I mean not to talk about like some great TV shows like Sopranos or the
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wire or Breaking Bad those episodes there's episodes of those individual
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series that I remembered as great episodes of TV where it feels like if you just take a random you know season 4
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episode 6 of Yellowstone nobody's going to remember it whereas you can say oh
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The Sopranos episode Pine Barons people are instantly going to remember paully and Christopher in the woods I never
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thought of it that way right now we're watching Dexter I don't know if you ever seen the show Dexter yeah so we just started the series together I'd already
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seen it but it's been a while and I wanted to watch the Resurrection series that's coming out so I invited my wife honey trust me you'll like it she loves
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it now so I'm rewatching it to get to get caught up so I can watch the new reboot that being said that's a show
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that doesn't do what you're saying there's story lines with each of these characters you just want to know what's happening next but there's no real
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filler but I know what you mean I love Yellowstone but when I objectively looked at the show Yellowstone now I
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know you're saying there's like boy there's a lot of I guess the scenery is really beautiful or the horses are doing
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you know tricks in the arena whatever it is it almost feels like where are we going what is actually happening but
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it's a comfort food now we're talking about meals again it is a comfort food it's a bag of chips it's not supposed to sustain me I'm just I'm CH you can
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almost scrolling your phone a little bit like well that's the thing and and and it gets to like this whole discussion
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about like content versus art yeah and by no means is it not happening I don't
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know if you've ever watched the two seasons of Mind Hunter that's amazing
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television I mean that's not connect the dots television and of course Netflix canel it because it probably was it it
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took people's attention away from their phone exactly exactly there was a headline recently where the edict from
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Netflix for their TV shows and movies was have characters explain what they're
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doing yeah I know so if you're in the kitchen making dinner and you and you have like okay whatever Netflix Show
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streaming you can hear the characters explain this is what I'm doing right now and this is why I'm doing it why are you
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looking in that drawer well I'm looking for evidence for the murder that we that remember the guy that got murdered an
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hour ago yeah at the end of the day Ryan it really comes down to the fact is we're in an age where hey me and you in
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our 20s would have effing love this you have access to everything yeah but at
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the same time when you have access to everything you don't have to watch everything right yeah there's more
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things to watch than there is time in the day to watch it yes oh yeah it's impossible but I will say the wife and I
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watched the first two seasons of Prater and there's not very there're only eight episodes so it's pretty easy that's what
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I liked about it each season is based on a novel so it's eight eight episodes is perfect we quite enjoyed it it's a
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combination of it's a bit of fluff silliness a little bit it doesn't take itself too seriously but it's done well
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it's not boring it's done well and aesthetically yes this Behemoth of the guy what's his name again Allen
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something yeah alen Rich richson yeah he's a big guy and he's good I like him
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so he fits the role and yeah so there you go that's just my little plug for the TV show so that the
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TV show I don't remember anyone scoffing at the idea of this guy playing Jack Reacher he's almost too big actually
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that might be the other thing if I remember correctly around the time that the first Jack Reacher movie came out
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one of the comments was it's really hard for somebody to live the life that Jack Reacher lives
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looking like he does in the books whereas Jack Reacher is very much Off the Grid he he doesn't have a permanent
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home per se he wanders and if you've got this 6'3 250lb guy lumbering through
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your town it's pretty hard to be inconspicuous but if a guy like Tom Cruz
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wanders through your town sheriff teasel isn't going to raise an eyebrow whereas the guy from the TV show does you're
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like wait a minute it might be time to stop this guy and ask him what he's doing here right that's good point yeah
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all right folks you're wondering well what are you guys talk about the film well this is the trouble with this this
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it's because we well we sort of are we have to in a way Craig we have to talk about everything that got to the film
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right because I meaning what I mean by the the novels who directed the film
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before like the first film versus the second film what's the connection and all this why the second film why not a
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third film so now we're at the part where now yes there has been a second film has been green lit Christopher
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mcari has t decided to take a writing producing role the previous film that
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Ed's wi directed was Pawn sacrifice a very lowkey drama heavy lots of talking
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chess movie and maybe he had an itch he doesn't say I'm G to play his Audi book
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at the end don't worry folks we're GNA play the two Snippets he gave us for this movie at the end I wish you got more it's it's frustrating but I
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understand I I understand in his audio book or his book I'm listening to his audio book but in his book that of
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course he talks L about glory and and The Last Samurai and Legends of the Fall
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these are the huge films I get it but it's but for me as a total nerd I'm
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actually almost somewhat more interested in hearing about the films that didn't make it I still want to hear about the
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process of making Jack Reacher to about some of the stunts and the conversation you have with Tom off the side uh you're
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and even Pawn sacrifice was like two sentences like he said he had trouble with Toby I want to hear give me some
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more dirt it's unfortunate that we got literally two sentences for his last three films yeah I almost wonder if it
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was a case of looking for director for this
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movie if Tom didn't say hey I've worked with Wick before I know what I'm getting
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with him I know he can handle the assignment and also it might have also been like you know what he might need
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this movie too I know I was thinking that too was combination of like he hadn't had a blockbuster
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since his last I guess his last Blockbuster was blood diamond in 2006 because Defiance love other drugs and
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pawn sacrifice his next three films I would consider them Blockbusters by no so in the back of my head I was like I
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wonder if it was like two things Tom Cruz is getting somebody he knows he trusts and we'll deliver it but also at
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the same time it's like hey let me throw my buddy a bone too because sure you know it it might be a good way to sort
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of jump start you know and that's a credit to both Ed as well that Tom because Tom is a producer of the film so
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he's gonna Greenlight Ed in a sense so he hires Ed he's like hey Ed you want to you busy you want to handle another
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action film and there's some War element action sequences you've done these before with other films and it probably
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rejuvenated Ed but he doesn't talk about that in the book yeah yeah it's
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unfortunate it might have also been like proximity effect as well it's hard to reflect on something that is still semic
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current the book came out what 2024 2023 yeah I think it was just last year
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so it was it was like still what like seven or eight years that's right who knows when he started writing
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the book so it might have just been one of those things where he hasn't really had time to reflect on it or the publisher might have even been
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like hey nobody's going to care about your thoughts on Pawn sacrifice give us the glory stuff no it's very well said
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so let's talk about the actors in This film funny enough it's one of these films where there's just not a lot
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of actors that I could name a lot of them had the faces oh I've seen that guy
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I've seen that guy and that was a lot of this cast what about you other than the the two top billing
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stars did you know anyone else by yeah well it had the dude for M Hunters oh
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which guy was that what's his name I'm trying to remember his character's name let's see Sam Mor no Sam Morgan is the
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girl the guy with the phone he's making the phone call and Reacher twists his arm he up get killed with the phone yes
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okay yes that dud yeah I forgot his name but he was in M Hunters yeah that's Hol
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melany and his name was Robert pson was Robert y that was ER okay I'm
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such a huge Bight Club fan so he's one of those guys where oh him every time I see this guy to film I always say to in
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my brain his name is Robert bson but yeah he's been a lot of stuff he's a great actor in fact he's returning with
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Tom Cruz for the final mission of possible film this year he's that perfect type of actor where I didn't know his name yeah but you know the face
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but he's got a steady gig he's doing f financially having fun on film but he can still go to Walmart yeah he did a
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show on FX probably 15 years ago with this point called lights out too where he played a
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boxer an old boxer and I I don't think I ever watched the show I've never heard
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of that but my sister worked on it and that's how I remembered it yeah oh yeah
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look at that light I don't know even some of those FX shows are hard to find they might be on like Hulu through
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Disney plus but either way cra yeah he's a he's he's a journeyman actor that's
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the word yeah totally great guy he did a great job he met a an awful demise in
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the film but had it coming he's the first one where I could say oh I know where I've seen him from actor didn't
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know his name as you can see in our episode now I had to look him up and then the main villain referred to as the
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hunter great actor but his name is Patrick hu singer do you recognize him from anything no and I hate to do this
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because it's not fair but the trend in modernish action films is just get the
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abon me and Fitch type looking modelish Taylor kitch type looking in the first
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movie it was Jai Courtney it's just generic model looking guy number two and
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he was fine and I think his performance was good enough that when he gets that
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shot to the face at the end where Reacher says look at me yeah it felt like he earned it and both reer movies
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have great henchmen deaths did he kill the guy at the end of this one oh yeah he broke his neck said I'm going to
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break your arm I'm going to break your leg I'm going to break your neck okay so I should say this I watched the two films with my family and my three
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youngest so 10-year-old twin boy girl and my 13-year-old son I've said this before on The Last Samurai I believe but
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my 10-year-old son is a huge Tom Cruz fan he loves Tom Cruz Tom Cruz is on
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film he just is totally engaged I said hey let's go watch a movie this was last week cuz we watched the first film and I
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turned it on I didn't tell them what I often I'll do that like believe I say it's movie time and I put it right where
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it starts they don't know what they're watching said just just trust dad just trust dad and so it comes up it says a
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Tom Cruz production yeah and as the film started and it wasn't showing Tom you because they're doing the whole
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introduction to Jack Reacher you know they do the whole like talking about who he is before he shows up in the off office there at the beginning of the
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first film my son goes dad is is Tom Cruz in this or is he just directing the
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film so he was getting kind of nervous he's like if I go to see Tom Cruz in this film but I enjoy watching that like
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my son had this fandom of an actor because it's fun to we live like it's cool that he just he can't wait to see
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the next installment in the theaters for the mission imposses every Tom Cruz I've shown him that's you know appropriate
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for a 10-year-old he's the Top Gun films the mission possible films Minority Report Last Samurai the Jack Reacher
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film so we're watching Jack Reacher 2 and he goes what did he say he said oh is she in part three regarding the
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daughter the fake daughter or whatever something to that some question about part three and I'm like there is no part three he still
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used like eight mission possible films he just assumed Tom Cruz would have eight Jack Reacher films I'm like this is it buddy he's like what yeah so he
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can't be alone and people wanted a third Jack Breer film yeah back to the actors
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though regarding now a bit of a tangent there but back to this Patrick hinger guy it's weird Craig he did Jack Reacher
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did a good job I think he did a very serviceable job as a baddy in that film he did a 2018 film called called
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accommodations which is such a low-key film it doesn't even have you know the Wikipedia link like I can't link on any
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information about it and that's it so he hasn't been in a film in seven years wow his last performance on television was
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in three years ago one episode of lawn order yeah so maybe he just retired you
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never know maybe he's got a few million bucks he's retired but it's weird how you kind of have a bit of steady work and it just dries up maybe it's just
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dried up for him what do you think yeah or he found something else to scratch yeah ditch and pay his bills maybe he
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went back to mail modeling who knows yeah sure so again actors names you you
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didn't know the actor names I didn't know we knew one face his name is Robert pson then we had the daughter fake the
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daughter sort of the Homeless girl the pretend assumed a biological daughter danah yuros she was 18 at the time
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playing a 15-year-old what did you think of Danica's performance playing Samantha Jack reachers assumed a biological daughter in the film I'm not a fan of
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that that type of character and that performance I mean it was fine but it
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wrode a line of being like if I was in a worse mood this would really annoy me
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sure which is what the character was supposed to be so no fault of hers but
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that character and that Dynamic has been done like the street smart kid who sure
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but at the same time we get that great bit between her and Jack at the end on the rooftop when he had given her he
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kind of teased her about learning that move earlier in the movie and then of course it pays off of course to the line
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that triggers it so cinematically it did everything it was supposed to do but that's my biggest critique of this movie
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overall is there's a lot of interactions and character interplay
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and scenarios that feel just a little too cliche okay that's fair watching
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this film I asked myself now watching the ewick films as as I've now done I've
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watched up to this point I'm now watching all these films in order so in in a way I'm watching it through the lens of this director like why is Ed
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doing this film what is he what is he bringing what's his vision as a director to this film and it it dawned on me why
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he might have been also asked to do this film and it was apparent right away at the very beginning do you have any
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guests or where where I might be going with I'm not trying to lead the witness but why do you think Ed might have been brought in to direct the second Jack
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Reacher film even Vice the first one let's say for the male female Dynamic
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exactly so that's his Forte he has always been good at loving other drugs
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is a huge example of that that's what it's all about but he's very good at the interpersonal relationships with people
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that's what his blood sweat tears is he's able to handle a large cast very well and I think that was done very well
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in this film so again we had a myriad of characters in this film and Ed has always had the ability for me as a
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viewer of his films where I'm always able to manage who's who in the zoo he does a great job of managing multiple
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characters for me so even better than the first film did for me there was a lot of baddies and Side characters I
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wasn't tracking them as much but Ed has this great ability to make you I don't know if invest is the right word but you
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at least you're following the story and you're understanding who's who in the zoo and why they're there but yeah at
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the very beginning of the film folks Kobe small smolders and Tom Cruz's characters they have this phone playay
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conversation and maybe I just came off Ling other drugs a couple movies ago but I was like am I watching a dating show
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you know the flirtations the but it was directed very well it was edited very well it wasn't too schlocky or corny it
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was just enough like yeah he's a warm-blooded male she's a warm-blooded female they're both talking to each other and there's some sort of you know
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Jack's like I'm G to go check her out I'm G to go visit her at work and ask her out for coffee it it felt very
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natural and it wasn't until that well it was at the beginning but it was at that moment it dawned on me oh Ed this is Ed
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this is kind of Ed's wickedness of this film and then now we're bringing the proposed or supposed biological daughter
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how that plays into the film uh again the relationships you have Tom and Kobe's characters playing mother and
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father to this girl so when I allowed myself to treat this pretend it was
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almost comical but I think it was meant to be that they were acting like parents remember the hotel oh she never listens
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to me I can't believe it's almost like a family sitcom at the whole yeah and I'm I'm sure we'll start talking about her
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soon but I also almost feel like Colby was the weak link if you look
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at that hotel room scene okay if you want to use the analogy of a car so
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let's say that Tom Cruz from an acting standpoint is a Lamborghini okay and it feels like that
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scene the performance is the Lamborghini driving through S streets the
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Lamborghini needs to open up and be on the highway going 80 M an hour
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and it felt to me like Cruz's performance in those
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scenes suffered because I don't know if he was trying to bring down
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his performance to match the flatness of col's performance but for me the balance
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just felt off to me and and that's fair it it felt to me like I was like wow it seems like Cruz is in rehearsal mode
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more than full-on performance mode I know you're not a huge fan of her but you talked about Anne Hathaway on The
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Love and Other Drugs episode right she's a really really good actress and I give
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me that that yes okay you can almost imagine in if you drop an actress of her caliber into that scene how much better
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that dance might have been because Cruz will take it as as high as you can but I
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also think he's a smart enough actor that he's not gon to expose you as well and and you know no that's actually
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great you're right yeah Co you know it's funny I I
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dislike the way as a I don't it sounds terrible I don't know either one of these individuals from Adam so I'm just
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it's it's fine to think somebody isn't like genuine and if you think they're disingenuous or or anything like that
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but it's funny when you were talking about her you know I'm from from New Jersey and halfway actually is from that
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area I was dating a girl at 20 some years ago and we used to go around parts
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of Jersey and watch high school productions and at the end of the year they would give out this Rising Star
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reward oh and one of the claim to fame was that Anne hathway had come from the
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rising star program so that's why she's always been on my radar there was sort of a connection to her and it seemed
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like her I don't know how connected an Hathaway is but it's always cool to see
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somebody make it that isn't like a neppo baby or didn't I mean this was a
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girl from Jersey that ended up starring in Blockbusters which it doesn't always
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happen you're normally you're Linked In somehow you know somebody and for Anne hathway it always seemed to me her
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Talent coupled with a lot of other things including her physical attractiveness got her where she is have
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you seen love other drugs not yet yeah you'll see her new Thro enjoy that she
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as we said in that episode she is naked quite a bit and she's fantastic she very easy to look at I I'll give her that and
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but you're absolutely correct Craig I would be lying to say that Kobe smolders
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is not a better actress than an hathway that's a very interesting thought experiment to put an hathway in this
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film boy because you're right you're absolutely right that whole
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interpersonal relationship with the two between her and Cruz and playing up with the parents the pretend daughter it
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would have been elevated with an you're absolutely right she would have tackled that better Kobe funny enough is from Vancouver which is right where I'm from
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that same neck of the so maybe I relate to as a fellow Canadian but
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objectively Kobe smolders is not an actress that I've enjoyed and I as an
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actress I think I think she's a sweet here's the funny thing and halfway better actor but I would rather have
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coffee with Kobe so yeah and no and she's fine like I mean I she's fine she's no but she's also good on like how
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I met your mother but then it gets to like the whole discussion about like TV actor versus movie actor they're
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different they're different skill sets so I think she might just fall into the category where it's unfortunate but it's
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a good unfortunate because she's you know made Millions from being a TV star for you know 10 seasons she was good in
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that I love that show I watched every episode but she and her H what was the guy's name that always the narrator dude
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like the guy who the character's name was Ted Ted right that's right Ted Ted and Kobe's character were my least kind
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of favorite of of the four main characters I enjoyed them but I enjoyed you know in fact Alison Hanigan is the
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reason why I start watching I'm I've watched him Buffy of course the American Pie films but I was a Buffy ftic and I was I've been in love with her since the
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Buffy films the franchise so I followed her career like really she's doing a sitcom I'm sure I would have watch
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Allison in a weekly sitcom why not but it turned out to be genely a good show but Kobe funny enough was never really
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never truly made me I don't know I don't remember being like laugh out loud like
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oh I love her again sweetheart of a person nothing against her this is my long way of saying she felt out of place
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here it felt a little bit miscast and did they go for the lowest not low that
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um yeah well here's the thing like we said everyone's name on this bill is Affordable that's what I'm
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trying to there you go everyone is Affordable and Kobe at this time probably just got off How I Met Your Mother close to so she's you know a
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pretty big sitcom so there's a bit of a draw to see her in this she's doing Marvel films too as a side character so
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there's a bit of a draw with her but she's more affordable than in halfway did they hire Kobe to keep the
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budget down great yeah sure and this also gets to like Tom Cruz as producer because he produced this movie as well
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so when you're looking at the budget and the money you have to work with it's like okay we might not be able to spend
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a lot of money but let's find appropriate people for the roles also at
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the same time I'm like we're making a sequel to a a movie that did okay we've got the name recognition already you
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know Scarlett Johansson isn't going to bring anything e extra to to the box
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office because she's in it you know what I mean like it didn't like Tom Cruz is the draw here like people are gonna go
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see it because oh it's a sequel to Jack Reacher th those are like two things that are getting asses and seats so it
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it doesn't need to be a a loaded Marquee no so this budget was the same
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as the first film so in a weird way that's that's not very common that the sequel of a franchise will have a lesser
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budget than the first film so what does that tell you they save money on cast
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yeah yeah but also that might explain why there wasn't a third film like for whatever reason they just didn't get the
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returns that they were hoping for and they were like hey we'll make a sequel but we're not giving you one and a half
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time the budget of the first movie you know it's like if you want to make it here's the budget go to town there was
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talk and whisperings that they would they would do it but it's always about hey it's a business about money that the
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second film made a little bit back not enough to Warrant a third film with the trajectory of such was it's going to
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keep going down with each film so when you open up Paramount plus they have the different
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categories and it feels like the last two or three months the two Jack Reacher
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films are in their like most watched category oh wow and then also if you go
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to like the action it'll be like all time Cru film in like the most watched it would be like whatever Mission
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Impossibles are on Paramount plus the two Jack Reacher films and then top gun
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Maverick I mean people are watching those movies but then at the same time it's like well they've got the Jack Reacher TV show now which basic a
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different network it basically it killed killed any chance of there being
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another Cruise Reacher movie because if anything Amazon will probably make a
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featurelength Jack Reacher movie in the new Reacher Universe if you look at the Hellboy movies the first Hellboy movie
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came out did whatever it did but then it did great on DVD right so that allowed
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them to do the Golden Army or whatever and it almost feels like that effect
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isn't allowed to be in play here because they've already made other movies you know so it's kind of funny that Reacher
39:55
is doing great streaming numbers but there's no way to capitalize on it unless a lot of people are going back to
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watch those movies because of the Amazon show and then there's like that's what I was gon to say you just took that out of
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my mouth yeah I think in a weird way people are like oh Tom did this film franchise like I guess I heard about
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that and I think if they're able to just put this way I hadn't seen the first film and the second film since I watched
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the first two seasons of the TV show recently and so when I went back and watched the film starring Tom Cruz once
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I race like a it's a different yeah it's a different actor I'm used to different actors playing Batman Superman joker I'm always able to like okay it's a
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character it's a different actor playing the same character Tom does a good job embracing the character and
40:39
so the character is and the way he acts is not foreign to what you see on the TV show so so both actors play the novel
40:47
character fairly well like I'm not Jarred by the behavior of Tom Cruz's portrayal going back and watching the
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films after watching the current TV series I I can I can piggyback off that because we didn't really talk about the
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be the the opening of this movie and I think the opening of this movie is really cool
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because it drops you right into things it starts with the cops arriving on scene there's like two or three bodies
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strewn in the parking lot and the Witnesses are like man those guys got destroyed the cops like who did it and
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they're like him and you see Tom Cruz from behind sitting in the diner and then you get that whole setup where
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Reacher has this confidence because he says in the next 90 seconds two things are going to happen that phone's going
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to ring and you're going to be in cuffs and the thing I like about the scene is it alludes to a previous sort of
41:37
Adventure that we're catching the end of yeah so it's almost like fil between the films yeah and then also it gives you
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for people that don't know the character it's a good introduction to the character is it's like okay
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obviously he has the ability to take out and severely injure people in a you know
41:57
a parking lot brawl but then also have this confidence in this bravado when he's dealing with this corrupt sheriff
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or whatever it's a great opening I almost wish that we would have gotten like a little short film on the DVD or
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something even if it was five minutes to show us the leadup to it well that's the advantage of doing these TV series Vice
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the films I find they're able to I don't know why I guess it's just setups or set
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pieces because they're able to do eight of TV in a year they wait four years between films and I'm like why is that
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why are they able to do a very well done show on Reacher Eight Episodes and you know good action sequences sure they not
42:38
have any huge explosions and buildings collapsing but why like I think movies
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need to figure out how to meet that middle ground of serialized TV and or
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quicker releases of movies like four years between films probably didn't help it either yeah and I wonder if there's
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another book in the series that that opening scene is yes it yes it did it oh
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is it oh yeah no it's good good question so yes it was based on uh a book called
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one shot I believe this film never go back but they did say that the opening scene was based on the end of another
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book sorry this was actually based on never go back my apologies yeah yeah one first movie that's right but that
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sequence of the trafficking was actually applauded in another book so they kind of oh that's cool I might have to check
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my library for that so that's what I like about they they say true to the book stay true to the characters I guess so yeah so if you're a Jack Reacher fan
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of the book series and you're in the theater you're like oh this is the end of the 16th entry in the series or
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whatever oh that's cool it's like a little Easter egg maybe what I was going to say was if you watch the movies
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because of the TV show because it's pretty well done I that's what it meant to say maybe was that you're watching Tom Cruz's performance and once you get
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okay it's a different actor playing it the character is the same is what I'm saying you're not Jarred by the film
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experience having watched the TV show cuz I did that I watched the movies again after the TV show I was like oh
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yeah it's the same character yeah you could drop that dude from the TV show into the opening scene of this movie and
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it would feel completely appropr yeah if you like somehow AI CGI Allen's
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character as a doing everything Tom does in that film but it's his body you wouldn't be confused by the movie it it
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would be Jack Reacher yeah yeah all right so well we've talked a lot about Tom so Kobe back to Kobe serviceable but
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I agree with your an hathway better actress would have made probably would have made the film a little bit better I hate to say because a lot of it was
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relationship stuff and Kobe fun sweet personality I'm sure she's a sweetheart of a person but yeah
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t-shirt too she looked great in the t-shirt and but I think she might have been above her pay grade a little bit
44:49
I'd imagine Tom Cruz is a hard person to to act against because oh yeah it's Tom
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Cruz and yeah and to her credit she did it like that I I would bet if you were
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to interview her and she was honest let's just or just ask her like friend to friendless say like hey was it nerve-wracking being around Tom
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probably because he's intense not in a mean way he he's old business he's the First on set last leave he's there he's
45:15
producer he's the boss of the film he's like yeah yeah again to me it feels like he's sparring as opposed to straight up
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boxing yeah good point in those scenes at least now Tom Cruz what are your thoughts just
45:29
overall I guess with Tom back in an action sequence type film he does everything he's supposed to do in this
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movie The Other aspect of this is unlike the first movie although we did have the
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the lawyer character in the first movie but that Dynamic was different here
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right there was more of an ensemble to work with so I think the focus wasn't as
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much on him so he was able to sort of just be another character on funny they bring that up because they talked about
45:58
if a third film was going to be done it was going to be even more of an assemble piece yeah I almost wonder if well yeah
46:05
I mean Jack Reacher you always have to have the Jack Reacher character but yeah that's interesting because if
46:12
you remember like what like that is it the fourth or the fifth Mission Impossible movie where he
46:18
climbs the tallest building in Dubai or whatever or the tallest building in the world that movie it it feels like they
46:24
were setting that up where like Ethan Hunt could have been like okay I'm off
46:29
to go enjoy a quiet life cuz it feels like they set that up for all those other characters you know what in
46:35
another universe or another timeline there might be like the Jeremy rener you know Paula Patton
46:42
series Ryan laugh like sure oh that's a great sequence that's
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one reason why my son loves Tom so much he appreciates that he does the stunts even as a young viewer he thinks it's so
46:56
cool that this is Tom on screen I love that about Tom Cruz too he's not going
47:01
to be able to do it forever even Jackie Chan had to bow it eventually your body just doesn't do it anymore it's unfortunate but uh okay so I'm gonna
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play you the first snippet we have here from edwick mouth regarding this film
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Jack Reacher never go back which Tom Cruz and I made in 2016 fizzled at the box office I blame myself and my willing
47:22
accomplice Don Granger for thinking the audience might enjoy a man up of Jack reer and paper moon when in fact they
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just wanted more red meat thoughts on that assessment it it was by m critique of
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the film so to hear him address that is you know I didn't
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want I I know the film but I don't know what it's about what what what Ryan O'Neal and Tatum O'Neal father and
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daughter oh the father daughter issue okay oh I yeah okay that was the criticism you brought up so he pointed
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that out that's out but it was based on a book that had
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that but it wasn't as much in the book I guess he leaned into it you know he leaned into it yeah yeah that's a yeah
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that's that's funny very it's very astute that you brought that up as a criticism and so did Ed so good job on
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that yeah maybe if they had picked a different book you're right it might have made a few more million sure fair
48:17
enough at the beginning of the episode I talked about how many times I've watched this movie in the last year like when I
48:23
watched it again last night after having just watched it two weeks ago I didn't groan and say oh my God I have to watch
48:29
this movie again I sat down and I watched it and I enjoyed it there's certain movies I won't do that for yeah
48:34
if I watched a two weeks ago I'd be like you know what I'll remember enough to talk about sure you know but this movie
48:39
I was like you know what it's not GNA be a a bad two hours of my time it was my
48:45
first time watching it since it's whatever DVD releaser at the time 2016 or I maybe streaming back then maybe
48:52
eight years ago but uh yeah when I was watching like oh this is better than
48:58
maybe I remember or people gave it credit for because it's a very good maybe we I've seen some really crappy
49:04
action films lately but it was just I was just like yeah this is a fine movie The acting's Good the action sequences
49:10
are fun I'm following the plot along my kids are even enjoying it even those very talky at the beginning I was getting a little bit worried I like well
49:15
is there much action in this F I can't remember but they they were still engaged they were following the storyline they were listening and what
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we said before about what people are experiencing Craig on streaming would indicate that people are watching it so
49:26
maybe it's just one of those things that things get better with time like it was just release at a weird time who knows
49:32
what the public was doing at that time because it seem I didn't see in theaters and I don't remember why I mean there
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you go I just didn't I mean I saw the first one in theaters and admittedly my life is was different in 2016 than it
49:44
was in 2012 I was living in a different state and I was single when the first one came out engaged when the second one
49:50
came out so I wasn't going to the movies as much as well I didn't see this movie
49:55
until years later okay I think there's I think there's maybe two more Clips one
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for sure I had a wonderful time working with Kobe smoulders and I certainly don't blame Tom he was great in the
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movie he just wasn't 6'2 as the novelist Le child had described his protagonist
50:14
and should Tom happen to call about making a third movie together I'll definitely pick up so he mentions the
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the it's funny that he brings it up because obviously the first film would already come come up it's interesting that I think he recognized the right on
50:26
the too I think he probably read the scuttlebutt on the internet too but it didn't hurt the first
50:31
film but it didn't help it I think I guess another another layer of despite
50:36
Cruz's best acting and best or whatever like all the all the oomph that he puts in his films he can't over unfortunately
50:43
you just can't overcome height it's just a reality of G DNA yeah by the way Lee child has a cameo in the first movie
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he's like a desk clerk Tom Cruz and the lawyer character the girl from Gone Girl
50:56
I forgot her name name and they have like an interaction Pike Roseman Pike yeah she's also from a Bond movie so
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there's a scene between the two of them and there's like a desk clerk there I don't know if it's a cop or or somebody
51:07
and he pays off the joke there's a joke and then he kind of looks up nods his head or whatever that's Lee Child okay
51:15
okay now it's interesting brought up Kobe and again I told you I think she's a sweetheart of a person her acting this
51:20
film is serviceable it's fine it wasn't bad but it just felt she felt or looked or performed a little bit of Fish Out of
51:27
Water like carrying an action film with Tom Cruz it just it it didn't quite land
51:33
though she gave it a all but I like how Ed did say she's a sweetheart person and keep in mind his last big actress that
51:39
he worked with was Anne hathway which I think he had more of Trouble with so I think he just had to throw in Kobe was
51:44
great she was sweet and Tom gave it his all now before we move on to I think the last clip of
51:50
this one I think there I think there's one more I will say Tom back to his acting again he's just a darn good actor
51:57
the end of the movie when he saying goodbye to his you know not his daughter but they're having that goodbye I
52:03
thought he did great saying goodbye to this young actress with playing his daughter I love that goodbye secret it wasn't hokey it wasn't corny it was
52:10
actually quite moving Tom's jaw clenching the the look in his eyes about how as Reacher he's like I can't show
52:16
like I this this shouldn't be affecting me you know I've killed people with my pinky and this girl has gotone into my
52:22
heart a little bit and when she says like you're probably disappointed not your daughter he's like actually I'm I'm or you're probably happy I'm not
52:28
your daughter yeah yeah no you could tell there was a little bit of like disappointment that he wasn't her yeah
52:34
he was like it could have been a mission I could have done this is another mission in life so to speak but I thought Tom's acting and the hug at the
52:40
end there was great and it was funny I forgot if they hugged or not so they were like I'm like come on well they
52:46
have to slide the phone in there there's multiple sliding the phone into the pocket gags in this movie so I watching
52:52
the film with my kids and I'm like come on Tom hug her and then she walks away and I'm like oh crap I they hug and then she came running back like I knew what I
52:58
said like but they do this big hug and I thought I don't know I thought it was a great Direction Ed that's what Ed is
53:05
good at he's good at the emotion stuff and oh yeah and she she had the single tear the Denzel single teer came out of
53:11
her like Ed he loves to get that tear out of his actors and so apparently he whipped her too apparently behind the
53:18
scenes just but yeah I should have done a single tier count from the Eds of films okay I think there's one more clip
53:24
here if not we'll Alan Stewart and Alex Soros knew how much trial by fire meant to me okay no
53:31
that's it that was just the two okay all right so that is it from Ed's book there
53:36
Craig for you to hear regarding the films this is your last film to do on the Ed's Wick podcast I know I talked
53:42
about before in a previous episode or two that I was going to maybe do some of his movies that he wrote or produce and
53:49
I'm American Assassin American Assassin I won't say I'll never go back I'm excited about another project that I
53:55
have Rolling In My Head about another director that I quite enjoy but another one that I enjoy for just for a couple films but I want to explore the ones I
54:02
haven't seen and do you want me to spoil it do you want me to tell you Terrence mik oh wow that's not gonna
54:10
be a really long series though he's got what 11 10 or 11 it's the same idea he's got a couple documentaries too so that's
54:16
why I kind of wanted to do that it's almost like a very Ed wikian type career where yeah do you don't have 2530 films
54:23
but the films are all interesting in a weird way had the big break of course for 20 years between two films and yeah
54:30
I don't want to talk too much well I can tease a little bit Yeah The Thin Red Line was when I got first introduced to him as a director and I was like I love
54:37
that film Beautiful film I know saving prior Ryan the dday the D-Day Landing is
54:42
what it is I get all that stuff but boy be on board for the uh for the for the
54:47
new world oh great film so yeah but there's a couple of his recent ones I just haven't seen yet just because of
54:53
timing and this and that I know they didn't get even ially received very well but I want to see why same idea so yeah
55:00
Terence Mal is one I want to tackle but doesn't mean this is so if you're listening to this and you have it in your podcast feed I'm just saying the
55:07
main show is you know theater like his 13 films he did for feature film but bonus episodes I will suspect they will
55:14
come so don't cancel your feed folks we still have one more film to do trial by fire with Doug for the final film but
55:20
Craig before we close I will of course do your link Tree on our episode people can see everything uh your doing but
55:26
your main show right now do you want to talk about your podcast you're doing right now yeah it's probably my my last
55:32
podcast uh it's called the goat dama and basically every episode I present my
55:39
case as to why Brian dama is America's greatest living director yeah we started
55:45
the new year with a a fresh episode and by the time you listen to this there's
55:50
probably two more episodes in 2025 nice and it's a really great show
55:56
in my opinion you've been on it before I'm looking forward to you coming back yes we still have more movies and scenes
56:02
to talk about but yeah basically every episode I let my guest pick a movie and
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a scene from that movie to help us sort of just explain why Brian dama is the
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director that he is and we did a great episode together on The Untouchables yeah I love it yeah it was your it was
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your podcast I want to say again if anyone listening to this or they forgotten it was your podcast that you're doing with Brian dma that
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literally triggered I want to do that with a director and Ed Wick was the first one that came to mind so it was
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because of you your show now I might be on this director Journey with other directors
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that aren't the Steven Spielberg that aren't the Christopher Nolan or even the Quint Tarantino I I kind of wanted to do
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these other directors where people are like oh they did that film yes they did that film too that I enjoy so edwick
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falls into that I think Brian does too people like oh he did Untouchables he also did the other you know whatever other films he so I mean right there
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it's like the guy that made The Untouchables made carry but then he also made scarfed it's like those are about
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the three most different movies you can you can think of like yeah the guy that
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does glory did Pawn sacrifice exactly exactly yeah I love it all right well that's great well thanks for coming on
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and we will be doing we may do a bonus episode yes there are there well sounds like we're doing
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American Assassin with Craig but like I said if you're listen to us on the feed don't don't give up on the feed it just the bonus episodes won't be monthly as
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all so but we they will come out so thanks for uh joining us on this again the next episode TR by fire
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