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talking to charles Groden beethoven
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Retro Made Pop Culture Rewind begins
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hello hello i'm Katie and welcome to Retromade your pop culture rewind today
Overview of Beethoven 1992 and John Hughes’ role
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we're digging into the 1992 family comedy Beethoven
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i bet you never realized that it was written by John Hughes did you we'll talk about the oddly dark plot question
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mark plot and its surprising box office success to unpack why this messy movie
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somehow became a staple of early9s kid culture if you listen to the Rocky series
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podcast One More Round my guests today will sound very familiar if not I don't
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know what you're doing with your life kyle welcome back thank you thanks for having me yeah if you're not listening
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to that podcast get your life together what are you doing exactly yeah now why
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should they get their life together and listen to One More Round got any any gems for why they should tune in well
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it's mostly because of Ryan he's the best we suck so we'll we'll try and put a show
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together still with just the two of us but uh it's true yeah i think we're a
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good team on that podcast we all bring something different to the table and if
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you're a nerd at all about the Rocky films you could watch us dissect everything but if you're not like
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there's we I we've had some converts to the cause which is surprising given that I I just figured everyone's seen Rocky
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but yeah we've we've brought people into the fold and they like Rocky so even if you haven't seen Rocky give it a chance
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agreed and if you haven't seen Rocky watch Rocky it's great okay we're gonna
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get right to the retroade time capsule are you ready to spin Kyle
1992 box office trivia challenge
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let's see what kind of a category we can ask some trivia questions for Kyle we
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have big screen time machine okay whatever
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that is well I mean you can kind of tell it's it's basically the top five movies
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at the box office for 1992 the whole year oh man 1992 that's That's hard
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because I feel like 94 or 93 I'd be good at that but 92 I don't
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normal well I'll give you hints then okay okay there are five films right
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in a single cinematic year audiences flocked to see a street smart shape
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shifter it's kind of a run-on clue like it's it basically gives a hint for each movie so
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I can pause okay there street shape shifter shape shifter
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Terminator 2: Judgement Day but that was 91 I think it is animated
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oh Street Shape Shifter animated i should know this this would have been my
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jam as a kid i was like eight when in 1982 the The Shape Shifter I will say is
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probably throwing you off but technically it is jeez I don't know aladdin aladdin oh man
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the genie yeah yeah street smart i that threw up too i wouldn't have
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characterize Aladdin is street smart but maybe I just The genie though
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yeah i don't know yeah a pop icon turned protector
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that's your clue god I suck so bad oh this is embarrassing
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a pop icon turned protector
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give you any hints for me other than that big song that you're if I give you the names of the people it will give it
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away [Music] and
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oh I still don't know Whitney Houston yeah
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well I know that but I still know what the movie would be the Bodyguard oh yeah I don't know if I saw that you Oh
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Great soundtrack too kevin Cosner and Whitney Houston
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okay you'll probably know this one a solo child in the big city
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oh was it Home Alone 2 mhm lost in New York yep yep wow so they they did that
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was really quick sequel i thought it was like a little bit later they did that one but cuz I think the first Home Alone
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was like 1990 or '9 yep 90 I think makes sense cuz he's still quite young looking
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like he doesn't look like he aged from the the two films really so
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capitalized quickly all right so number four a sultry ice pick wielding suspect
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ice pick wielding suspect sultry very famous scene when this person gets
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interrogated oh Basic Instinct mhm you see her kitty cat so to speak and then
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the last one is a sequel a pair of mismatched cops chasing gun
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runners oh would that be Lethal Weapon which one
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oh two you see three lethal Weapon 3 oh this is
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in the 90s right so yeah I know yeah like I I watched those but it's like I
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was eight in 1992 so it was not that honestly 94 I would do way better at
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there were so many good films that came out in '94 like 93,94 like Jurassic Park Forest Gump Dumb and Dumber yeah the
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mid9s really has its own identity for sure we're now we're still in the early
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90s so it's it's you know and agreed i honestly don't know if I've seen Lethal
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Weapon 3 either oh okay yeah I remember loving those as a kid which is funny that my parents let
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me watch that cuz there's like lots of like nudity and violence they're like "Whatever kid." Yeah my
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parents like were pretty chill like I saw Terminator 2: Judgement Day when I was seven and I'm like "Those seven-year-olds should watch that." I
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don't even remember that movie i'm sure I've seen it but I couldn't tell you just like extremely graphic violence I
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guess lots of swearing like you see like a nuclear bomb destroy a playground full
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of kids like like pretty [ __ ] up stuff
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yeah parenting was different back in the day I guess plus my my it was my dad too my dad was just like my dad didn't have
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the best judgment i I'll say that because I think a lot of parents back then would not have let their seven-year-olds watch that but I do
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agree with you though parenting like for instance in 1992 I was going home alone after school to
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an empty house cuz my parents were working like I had a shoelace around my neck with a house key on it and I was
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not the only one doing that where it's like nowadays you would never see that
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yeah that was very common place yeah ours was hidden in the garage
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yeah uhhuh yeah i I remember getting my snack
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watching TV after that's Oh for sure yeah yeah like you you you certainly didn't crack open your homework right
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away or anything oh god no i've always been a procrastinator all right Kyle i don't think you did
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very good let's see let's see what other category yeah I need to redeem myself you do you'll probably be pretty good at
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this one prime Time Rewind oh okay is this like TV stuff yeah okay i think I
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do better on TV than I do movies okay so this is the top five TV shows in on
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prime time uh for the year 1992 in a year when ticking clocks set the
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pace a sharp tonged matriarch ruled the Midwest a fictional journalist tackled
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real world issues a Boston bar remained the go-to spot for regulars oh so okay
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so these are like all of them but I thought it was like a single show with these like what the [ __ ] kind of like what show is all of them and a handyman
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with more power tools than sense grunts his way to fame what were the top five shows okay sorry could we just do one at
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a time because I don't know if I can remember yes but then it it's it's it's so easy it's too easy could you
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repeating ticking clocks set the pace okay what's that one that was the one I
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wasn't sure about the I'll go back to that one okay sharp tonged matriarch ruled the Midwest oh is it Roseanne yes
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that's number two number three is a fictional journalist tackled real world issues
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this might be tough yeah was it Murphy Brown it was Murphy Brown
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and a Boston bar remained the go-to spot for regulars cheers i've been to Cheers
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like in Boston oh yeah even though I think it was actually filmed in LA but you know they
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they they show the shot of the bar that's actually just off Boston Common
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like their like park area where their state house is i did not go to the Cheers Bar i've only
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been to Boston once though nice city i recommend it yeah yeah what
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was the Handyman with power tools oh Home Improvement okay so do you know the ticking clock one this was an hourong
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show okay ticking clock what was it again the ticking ticking
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clock set the pace oh was it 60 Minutes it is that's the number one show there we go tv good job yeah when it raises
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you the TV raises you you remember the shows the movies not so much movies was a treat but yeah I remember TV back then
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i agree i agree and it was more regular like you watched them all the time yeah all right let's do another it's funny
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like some of these shows I watched as a kid like Cheers like my daughter would never watch Cheers it's very adult i
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don't remember loving it as a kid it made me sad the theme song oh I always
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thought like the art stuff on the theme song was really cool i really like the theme song as a kid actually i like it
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now but it gave me a homesick feeling when I was a kid oh there's a line in
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that song that's not in the show because the show's talking like your problems mhm and one is like your wife
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leaves you the other one is your husband wants to be a girl like transitioning
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what i missed that completely yeah yeah it's a great listen to the full song it's quite good all right
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yeah i think I'm due for some just like easy watching stuff like that like Mindless i'll have to like rewatch some
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80s shows okay i don't know how you're going to do with this category it is fad
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flashback yeah yeah we'll see we'll see there's two
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one's super easy and one's not so easy okay athletic footwear that was popularized in the early 90s especially
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by Michael Jordan oh like Air Jordans air Jordans yep '92
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do you remember the You was thinking of before you said Michael Jordan do you remember the pump shoes which on the
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tongue of the shoe had that look like a little basketball and you'd pump it up i think it was around the same time very
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much so it was in Whiteman Can't Jump i'm curious of the Can Kyle come out to
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play what is that back in the headlines oh so like current events
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well current in the time at the time yeah yeah yeah big news okay you'll
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definitely get You'll get these are pretty easy okay despite Rocky's best efforts it was actually Bush and Yeltson
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who did what 92 oh Bush and Yeltson
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is it like a arms reduction or something like that i don't know no you you you did you pick up on the first bit of it
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well the Rocky thing it's like negotiate peace or something the joke is always
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that Rocky ended the Cold War oh yeah but the Cold War was over by 92 that's I
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guess not officially they proclaimed a formal end to the Cold War okay like it
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didn't formally end until '92 i guess my like I didn't since I wasn't like I was around wouldn't be breeding stuff i in
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my mind I was just assumed that when the Soviet Union collapsed like by default the Cold
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War would be over mhm but okay yeah i guess in '92 those two Bush and Yeltson
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Yeah i guess it's like the year after the Soviet Union collapsed formally proclaimed a an end to the Cold War also
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in 1992 the US Supreme Court reaffirms
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your right to something and the hint is after 50 years that
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right got taken away what right was it 50 years
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okay i was going to say right is right to choose yeah your right to to have an abortion so in '92 the Supreme Court it
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must have come up to them and they reaffirmed it because and then what was
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it 70 I should know this early '7s yeah
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yeah or I thought you were saying like 50 years later it was repealed morgan hasn't been 50 years since the original
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though oh since the original okay since 92 yeah yeah yeah
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let's do one more i love doing [ __ ] like this
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say what so which 1992 catchphrase
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used to describe something that's considered impressive or superior was
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frequently paired with a popular snack in its expression
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all that in a bag of chips yeah what a weird catchphrase it's all that i
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remember um Austin Powers 2 Dr evil who uh had been frozen for a
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long since ' 69 came back in the '9s and then he goes back to the 60s to
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extort the world knowing what he knows in the '9s and he's talking to the president he's like
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"You're not all that in a bag of potato chips." That's right and he's like "What
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what are you talking about?" Oh my god also Austin Powers or is that Austin
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Powers or Dr evil yeah yeah yeah yeah austin Powers like Dr evil says it but
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he's the character in Austin Powers yeah yeah yeah well either way that character
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is and your Donald Trump are the same oh
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I disagree totally different okay all right well you did pretty good
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I would say yeah not bad that' be such a young end at that time right yes agreed
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agreed cuz you would have been like 11 mhm yeah i feel like when I was 11 I
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knew a lot more about what was going on around me still not like adult level but I don't think I would have done much
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better than you i would have done about the same that makes you feel better mhm
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all right Kyle are you a John Hughes movie fan or
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what's your history with John Hughes movies what are some What are the John Hughes
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movies well I'm really bad with like directors and stuff like that yeah I mean it would be like The Breakfast Club
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Weird Science Home Alone Home Alone Home Alone 2 Uncle Buck i love them love them
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like Weird Science i don't know if you've seen that but I love Breakfast Club a lot even though I saw that I was
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born the year that movie came out so I did not see that in the theater but I
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really like that film because it's so it's so weird right like such a weird movie but like in a in a great way like
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what a good idea it's my favorite for Is it your actual favorite movie well no my favorite John Hughes movie oh okay but
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The Breakfast Club is in my top you know 10 or what you know whatever it is it's very much up there speaking of The
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Breakfast Club I just saw an image i think it's like on Reddit or somewhere where they they had a reunion of all the
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people together for the Breakfast Club like this like re weeks ago or something they're all looking pretty good i agree
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i agree i think Amelia looks the best sure like aging ali looks pretty good
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too but yeah I was raised on like Uncle Buck and Home Alone in those films yeah no that was like the
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backbone of my childhood movie experiences for sure
Nostalgia of family movie nights and Blockbuster
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what about Beethoven did you see that when it came out originally yeah yeah for sure i reme you know I I didn't
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remember most of the film when I watched it again this week but there were definitely like memories that came back
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to me as I was watching it and you could almost feel like you're a kid again for a little bit of it
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and just you know in general I have to say cuz I watched the movie with my wife and
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my my 12-year-old and we don't watch movies as a family
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that often I realized mhm i feel like my family growing up like watching a movie
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together was like basically what you did on the weekend like a Friday night like you make it a blockbuster night make
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popcorn it's like a whole thing yeah yeah it's a whole thing and it's like nowadays it's like everyone has their
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phone and like you stream stuff but it's like movies are so easily accessible for
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the most part unless they like just came out where it's like
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you had your collection of VHS tapes at home which you've seen a thousand times that you weren't going to watch on a Friday night probably unless you were
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desperate and then you probably got something from Blockbuster if you got there early enough to actually get the
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new release and that was like a rush and yeah it any nostalgia could really miss Family Movie Day i like that yeah i mean
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Blockbuster was like a whole separate destination i remember there being a lot
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of just little video stores like inside of a grocery store so like on your way out from getting groceries
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that's I remember us doing that yeah i would go to the grocery store with my mom you know yeah like on a Friday or
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Saturday and then I'd be like "Oh can we get a movie can we get a movie?" Now that you say that I remember as a kid
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convenience stores some of them would have a little rotating circular thing
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with probably a couple dozen movies on it and you could rent it from like the lo like the corner store which is like
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never going to happen now no [ __ ] yeah like we had in our town there was
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Blockbuster came in and then before that we had this like huge video store called Jumbo Video and they gave you free
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popcorn like they had like a like a movie theater kind of popcorn maker there while you were like perusing or
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Yeah or you could take one on your way out and in fact when my wife and I got married in 2008
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it was like one of the last movie rental places still around in the city was called the movie studio and they also
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had free popcorn there and that's like my wife and I used to rent DVDs and just watch them at home and man I
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miss that i like I'm really really nostalgic for that it It was like The Hunt you know yeah
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exactly like you'd spend forever walking through and
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you'd get more than one you'd get like whatever the new release was or like and then you'd be like "Okay then the ones
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that aren't new releases there'd be like a dollar bin these ones are only a dollar yeah and you could like they're like "Bring it back next week." And then
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the new releases is like "Bring it back by Sunday or you're dead we'll find the [ __ ] out of you."
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I mean yeah video stores all right well speaking of which let's get into Beethoven
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it was released April 3rd 1992 pg it has a 5.7 on IMDb
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which is exactly the same as another John Hughes written movie Dennis the
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Menace did you know that was John Hughes 2 i'm so bad for that i'm a real [ __ ]
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guest when it comes to knowing no most people don't know that like the these are like Beethoven Dennis the Menace are
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are ones that probably don't come to mind like The Breakfast Club or Uncle
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Buck or Home Alone i did watch Dennis the Menace i remember that cuz Walter Matau was Mr wilson mr wilson yeah
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speaking of which actually the time of this Dennis Menace was last episode so it was just happen stance that two
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episodes in a row are kind of some of these like kid movies that he transitioned to after doing all those
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teen flicks and that they had much lower ratings the director was Brian Levent
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and he wasn't actually the original director he took over I don't know what happened but originally Steve Rash was
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supposed to direct and he directed Can't Buy Me Love as well as Sun-in-law
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with Poly Shore but Brian Levvent who did direct this movie which that doesn't
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sound very familiar to me but he did the Flintstones in '94 Problem Child 2 and
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Jingle All the Way in 1996 so John Hughes did not direct this but he did write it but this is the first movie
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that we see his pseudonym pop up did you know about this if you ever do Problem
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Child on this show please please have me as a guest for that one i vaguely
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remember it the little Was it a redheaded yeah he was such a little [ __ ] and and John
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Ritter or Yes yes that was the dad and I actually referenced that movie just this
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week at work actually in the lunchroom it was a scene where he pisses in a lemonade jug and sells it to a guy
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who remarks that it's tangy after he Oh gross god oh my god well I don't know it may
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it may pop up on you know some future season i don't know i don't know how Problem Child will come in you know my
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themes that I have so yeah amy Holden Jones and John Hughes wrote this movie
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amy Holden Jones also wrote Indecent proposal and Mystic Pizza one of my
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favorite movies it was Julia Robert's first movie role you have You will You
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really good oh okay lily Taylor is in it she could probably fit the entire pie in
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her mouth in one bite i would guess her stop just just messing with I love Julia
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Roberts i like her too wait no you got to watching Pizza it's so good it's such a great movie but also Amy Holden Jones
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there's a current show that she wrote or that she writes on The Resident i don't
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watch that but anyway I did find really interesting that several of these later
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John Hughes movies that aren't really his bread and butter he wrote under a pseudonym and so I was like well what's
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that all about it's Edmund Dante's so he's credited with that name instead of
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John Hughes for his writing credit and he came up with it as an homage to a
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character from The Count of Monte Cristo which I do not recall
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but he parted ways with the studio Universal after Beethoven
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and he didn't really want to be on it anymore like something must have happened and he wanted to take his name
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off of it but he he allowed it to to remain under the
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condition that his credit would be the pseudonym instead
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yeah that's what the kids would call sus these days which kind of tracks as we'll
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get into i think like in a lot of the prior movies he's had a lot of creative control with his you know his he didn't
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direct this but even as a writer a fair amount of control over the script and I
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think some of these family movies that quality wasn't quite up to up to standards you know maybe honestly just
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to I don't know if I'm jumping the gun here but watching this film I'm like you couldn't put this out today if if you
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put a film just like this Say say you updated the clothing and cars and all that stuff so it it doesn't seem dated
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but like the actual script was the same no
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nope well so speaking of you guys I so I did see this movie in the theater i remember going probably a matinea and
Breaking down Beethoven’s chaotic plot
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what's not to love it's a kids movie about a really cute dog so slobbering St bernard becomes the center of attention
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i loved it as a kid i remember like I I just remember like the feeling when I when you were asking like what film I
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wanted to be like reviewing with you i I saw Beetho like "Oh yeah I'll do that one." Even didn't remember like the
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details like the feeling remained is like I like this movie same and I
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remembered very little of it but yeah next to nothing yeah I remember the I remembered like the characters like I
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remembered what like the daughter looked like and the son and all that stuff and I remember the dog [ __ ] up their
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house like stuff like that I remember but like the actual plot what's the the adversity they're trying to overcome or
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whatever i'm like so it's George and Alice Newton is the
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mom and dad and they have three kids and they have to contend with dognapping
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local veterinarian Dr herman Varnick and his henchmen Harvey and Vernon that's
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what this movie is about you guys that like the they're dognappers
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yeah yeah actually I'm going to contend that they did not need to be in this film
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you could take them out and just make it about these people got a dog that was a
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stray and this dog is causing a bunch of problems but then they actually realize the dog is also bringing them together
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as a family and then they try and get rid of the dog and then regret it and then get the dog back
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exactly but instead they're those weird convoluted villains that like you have
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these two idiots who are the henchmen played by Oliver Platt and Stanley Tucci
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might I add yeah and then you have this like at the beginning you have this vett
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he's like I need puppies i'm like you know what you could do they
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sell puppies you could buy them are you short on cash like why like why are you
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stealing puppies they're there you could just go in and say "I need some puppies please."
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Well I I assume he's making money somehow on this venture which we don't really find out so it's like okay we
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open up and it's evil immediately they are actually stealing puppies from a pet store which that was some pretty
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high-tech security with laser beams at a pet store but these villains are not as
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dumb as they look one puff of cigarette smoke and the laser beam is uncovered i
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just I thought that was you know but then the cops were alerted to their presence anyway yeah also boo on pet
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stores people yeah yeah exactly exactly adopt don't like they're making fat we
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find out later in the film he's making fat stacks off whatever he's doing
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like you see him putting money into the safe there's like tens of thousands of dollars so it's obviously very lucrative
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it seems like the cost of the dog would not be would not bite into the profit
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margin that much also if we're really thinking about this this is what actual scumbags do is they
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go and collect free to good home in classified that's what they what I was thinking too
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cuz one of the things is can we see needles later on that that they're
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somehow inject like yeah syringes like they're going to inject these animals for some kind of animal testing which is
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done legally on animals to this day right like people companies corporations
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do animal testing all the time some say they don't but a lot do and then if I'm
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not mistaken what they're trying to do with Beethoven is they're trying to see what this bullets if you shoot a dog in
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the head and yeah like yeah it makes zero sense
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ammunition's testing on a that's why they needed a big dog was it the
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military like who is like also in real life they actually do do that but sadly
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this again you know Katie Miss Miss Vegan over here they use pigs because
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they're the same as us essentially that's what I was going to suggest is okay
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people don't use animals for that there's there are newer better techniques to test these things i see
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stuff online where I'm not a huge gun person but this is in my algorithm where
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they they have this material that replicates human flesh and it's almost like it's translucent and they'll have a
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bone structure inside so you could see like the damage the bullet does and stuff so that's like what professionally
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because you think munitions companies wouldn't outsource their testing to some small town veterinarian
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well who needs to find a St bernard to shoot in the head you could be you can go to Okay this is the coverage go to
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your local slaughter house and say "Hey do you have a couple pig heads I can have?" They're probably like "Sure we
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have a bunch of these take it." And you could take your already killed pig which
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I know sucks Katie i'm sorry and shoot that thing and then test it like I I
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just the plot well first of all it's like well you they're dognapping okay it's like we don't we find out in like
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pieces like what they're actually doing and it makes less sense as it goes on like at first we're like "Oh they're
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dognapping they're going to sell them or whatever on the black market cute puppy you know I I steal it i sell it for
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profit profit or whatever." Nope that's not what they're doing with these dogs they're Now we find out they're testing
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doing some some sort of testing on them we're like "Okay well that's dumber but it still sort of makes sense." And then
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lastly we find out it's munitions test like it makes no
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sense i was stunned when I saw that i was like "No wonder he put it under a
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pseudonym." Like I wouldn't put my name on that that is the stupidest plot line
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i could not believe it if I'm 8-year-old me wouldn't care that passes the smell test for 8-year-old me so good enough I
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guess i literally I have that exact note were they just like "Kids are dumb so
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yeah go be cool." Like it's like "The parents aren't really here to see this movie they're just here if the kids are
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happy the parents are happy the kids are too stupid to care." And to be fair if I
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remember right this movie cost $18 million to make and it grossed in the box office like $143 million $147.2
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million so yeah okay yeah they were right kids are dumb and this was like massively successful despite it being
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pretty shitty there were four sequels and three standalone films um there was
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like a very quickly after this one they did a Beethoven second which was a theatrical release and it was you know
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cute i think I saw it it was like now there's a girl dog and they have puppies which don't do that either people and
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then then there was sequels direct to video films beethoven's third
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Beethoven's fourth Beethoven's fifth Beethoven's Big Break Christmas Adventure Treasure Trail Christ and an
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animated TV series i I know this is a money-making business like I'm not
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stupid that this is the they're in here for the art but I'm like it is to me it's so disheartening and I've said this
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on the other podcast but it's so disheartening when they take something good or or
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something like this something decent and then just try to milk every last penny
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out of it and they're right cuz people keep buying it apparently they wouldn't make more sequels if they if they were
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losing money but I feel this way with the Star Wars and other stuff too where I'm like come on like how how long are
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we going to beat this dead horse like to me it almost ruins the other films i
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kind I not I don't kind of agree i wholeheartedly agree it it makes it icky
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just because my world doesn't revolve around like making an extra buck like I will pay more to do the right thing i
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shocking but yeah so it's gross i don't know i find it gross yeah like just greed i guess if
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there's a buck to be made someone's going to try and do it that's just the way the world works but it I think at
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the end of the day it's the consumer that's to blame because you make a choice with your wallet right don't see
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Beethoven five if these things stop making money they're not going to make more of them that's how I feel about
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like the MCU but yeah and similarly adopt don't shop vote with your dollars things like that
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but you were right like your very quick
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plot that you came up with was way better than this plus we didn't even talk yet about there is technically a
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subplot to this there's a few there's a only a few little tidy plots i think
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depends what you count as a subplot but true i mean like those evil childless
37:23
career people that's like a common theme in these movies and now I I just laugh it's like they're so career oriented so
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anyway what was that about that was convoluted too like again it was
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Patricia Heaton and David Dubny are like these venture capitalists trying to bamboozle the dad yeah it they make it
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seem that way they never explain how they're like the dad has this air
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freshener business which I guess is doing pretty well because this is a I got to do a little sidetrack here mhm
37:56
every It's like every family movie like this people live in these I feel like are outrageously large homes yes and
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like on this huge lot in like California i'm like Jesus Christ like I remember feeling so poor as a kid i'm like is
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this how everyone in like I mean Canada like is this how like everyone in America lives are we just like super
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poor and then I realized oh actually no this is just Hollywood or it's like Family Matters it's like Carl Winsel's a
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cop and he has this huge house i'm like what the [ __ ] but anyways they seem to
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be doing well as it is right now you could always do better you know you expand your business to have two air
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freshener factories or whatever and yeah he needs he needs some capital investment
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he seems to sell them on the tour and then they're trying to get him to sign this
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contract without reading it which tells us that there's something [ __ ] up in there which is which for sure is how
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things work in a way but in reality he would have a lawyer that looks at
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that contract like there's no way he's going to read that at like the dinner table and sign it let alone not read it
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and sign it does that bee plot get resolved in some way well
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aside from the dog pulling you know with the patio yes and no my understanding is
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that the dog ruins the evening and these people bolt and this guy's pissed off
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about it cuz the dog just ruined his chance to expand even though he doesn't realize the dog really saved him from
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from something we don't know about because it doesn't tell us right we just kind we're kind of we just assume that's
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the case because they they're so shifty mhm and then there was the line after that where it's like "My dreams are
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falling apart." And she's like "Well you can have your dream but you know it's your family that's falling apart."
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That that like him that him doing this air freshener business thing is making his family fall apart which doesn't
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really explain either cuz it's not like I don't feel like he was away that much
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or something for this he's maybe kind of fixated on this air freshener deal like talking about it at the breakfast table
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and being worried about it and having those people demean his kids and be like
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treat his wife like a servant and stuff and he was kind of putting up with it to be polite so the deal wouldn't fall
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through i I don't know if you would consider that your family falling apart
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well I think it was that so the mom played by Bonnie Hunt it I don't think she ordinarily goes to
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work but this is such a big deal that she has to like go to work and help him
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with it for some period of time and so then the kids have to be slept to like a
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babysitter or something where like one of them almost dies yeah beethoven has to save the little girl from the pool
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and which he knows through his animal instincts from three houses down yeah by
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the way he can maybe with his dog hearing yep his dog hearing can hear the scream and his animal instinct i can
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just accept that that's okay in the movie i can suspend my disbelief for that that's no big deal so like I My
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point though is I can kind of see their family having a rough time but that doesn't actually seem that bad
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it's like oh you've gone from a super idllic thing where you have like the wife staying at home and the husband's
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successful and you have this nice little nuclear family
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to where oh you the kids have to go to a babysitter like you and I were just talking about being like latch key kids
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god forbid well and it's sort of like again it borrows from other movies that
41:40
probably did it better you know like Turner and Hooch the dad never wants the dog yeah the dog really truly does bring
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the family together but the dad can't see it because he's the one that has to pick up after it and he you know he Yeah
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is making a mess and drool and then so then the dad gets blamed cuz the kids
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love the dog and it's a whole So I don't know if that was part of it yeah and it's like I was really identifying with
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the dad at first and my wife is like "Wow you're this guy." Cuz I was like "Do not get that [ __ ] dog." As much
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as I love dogs I have a Shih Tzu at home that's a good dog for our family he's
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small he's fairly lazy he doesn't do a lot he's good with kids that you know St
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bernard is an in your house dog bad idea like we have my wife's cousins
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they live out on a farm and their St bernard's outside all the time it loves life but like having this St bernard
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cooped up in your house i'm like I would not do that that like you're
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Yeah I'm like a giant breed dog person though well the problem is not him being so big
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they they kind of make it seem that way it's that he's a puppy and he's growing and being a puppy and a teenage dog and
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he is just in a big body so he would be cool if they just you know walked him
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and made him behave you know well the dad and me knows what's going to happen
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it's both the dad and a former kid where it's like the kids will make any promises they need to make to get that
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dog in the house mhm yep and then they'll write off in like two weeks and
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then the dad who's already busy is now on like [ __ ] patrol and walking patrol
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and Exactly so you identified with his face what is his What's it George is it
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George what was his name george Newton so it's George and Alice Newton i mean I
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Yes well there's a meme about the But you do end up falling in love with the dog you never wanted yeah there's no
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pure love exists between a man and then the dog that he never wanted never wanted yeah that's kind of like my dog
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and I I didn't like my dog kind of got like sprung on us and I made like a
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spur-of-the- moment decision to get him and I initially regretted it because we had a young but my daughter was a year
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and a half we had a young toddler around and we have this puppy and puppies are as you know like they're a lot of work i
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wouldn't say they're as much work as a new child but they're still a lot of work well and you have a a toddler and a
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puppy at the same time that is a lot yeah yeah so it's like But it's worth it like he's he's family he's 11 they're
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all like he's he grew up with your daughter that's so cute oh yeah they My kids don't know life without that dog
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he's been all they cannot remember life before him so luckily little dogs live a
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long time so but yeah yeah i was like don't get this dog even though I love
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dogs and I think it's good for kids to have a dog like I think it's good or a
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pet doesn't have to be a dog but I think it's good that you're responsible for something and like looking after it and
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caring i think it's you know it's not like essential you don't have to but I I think it's nice and I think there's like
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research to back that up i'm pretty sure but yeah this dog is wrecking their
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house which they do that they certainly do i got to say though
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and this is partially why kids kids love a dog and that Beethoven the puppy version i mean even when he's not a
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puppy but a little fluffball i mean how could you not fall in love with that
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cute little [ __ ] yeah yeah so my family has a tradition of like my the
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family I grew up in of getting pets without asking other family members if it's okay like just bringing home
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animals okay like how's that go over pretty good it works to be honest but
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it's like what what makes it work is that they're so cute mhm so for instance
45:51
my parents got cancelled talking to my sister and I of course we're thrilled and then without telling my dad my mom
45:58
and my sister and I got a a dog like he was a German Shepherd crossing the border collie like I think he was like
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six weeks old and we brought him home and my dad was like having a nap on the couch and we put him on my dad's chest
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and he licked my dad's face and woke my dad up and my dad kind of like bonded with him right away right like he
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charmed his way in right away and then my dad did a revenge purchase of a
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different dog i love this oh my god and there's been a couple more
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of those over the years so yes animals that does happen and they're cute and
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they're that's I think literally like evolutionarily wise that's why like if young kids and babies are cute young
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animals are cute it makes you not want to kill them cuz you would otherwise i say that to my now granted I have a dog
46:51
like they're not puppies and kids grow outgrow their cuteness but I guess by that time you've bonded and you've
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already fall in love so yeah it's too late yeah once they're like a hormonal
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teenager the bond's already rock solid so yeah but I say all the time oh you're
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lucky you're cute you know when they're naughty speaking of which there's a scene where Beethoven steals food was it
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like the Thanksgiving turkey or something what was it he steals a turkey leg he also gets He's also a very
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altruistic dog where he gets baked goods from the bakery not stealing mind you
47:31
and then gives it to the homeless dog that he once kind of was connected to
47:37
from the pet theft ring yes and and I'm like no dog would ever do that that is
47:42
not how dogs roll like the phrase dog eat dog is a thing right but he Beethoven's not starving he doesn't need
47:49
it you know so in this give a [ __ ] they're like I'm eating this anyways they don't care like they're not going to they don't look after each other like
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that especially if it's like not in their pack right but in this universe this child movie universe of course yes
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it's totally fine poking fun like I have legit problems with the plot of shooting the dog in the head plot like that's
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[ __ ] stupid easily solvable which is also not that familyfriendly of a plot yeah it's very
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dark yeah whereas Beethoven giving like the cinnamon knot to that dog that's
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cute it's like unrealistic but it's cute it makes sense for a family movie i'll allow it mhm and agreed yeah it there's
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also like little tiny subplots too like the son getting bullied at school
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which I don't think anything happens with that that I remember you just see Well Beethoven kind of
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stands behind him and intimidates the kids cuz he's a big intimidating dog and
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it makes the kid think he was intimidating them that's right yeah no you're right and then he also kind of
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plays matchmaker with the daughter who's named Rice i don't get that name r Y C
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that is There are two things I recall from this movie the fact that the oldest
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daughter's name was Rice yeah I remember that too yeah that's why I remember it cuz it's so unusual
49:17
and you know the the corporate types in the patio chairs getting dragged off by
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Beethoven that's literally all I remembered from this movie i remember the on when he shook off on the bed i
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remember that part but yeah from I think I kind of liked Rice as a kid so
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I remember her i remembered her quite a bit but yeah the dog plays some matchmaker but you don't really see
49:41
anything that happens with that other than like they know who she is yeah but like the dog escapes during
49:48
this is another weird plot where the dog like escapes the yard on the daily
49:54
because everyone recognizes him like the baker recognizes him they give him stuff
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he comes to the school he doesn't seem to be noticed by anyone like he's kind of like a regular fixture around there
50:08
the kids are not surprised to see him they're like "Oh hey Beethoven." Imagine you're at school and your dog shows up
50:15
without your parents he's kind of doing his thing like he's he's moving he's shaking he's making
50:22
things happen with the kids at school so I guess they're not really subplots but it just shows like the you know the dog
50:28
he's he's earning his keep so to speak well and how he's so lovable like he's a
50:34
he's good for them it's trying to drive that point home that he he's a good thing in their lives well let's let's
Cast highlights and 90s formulaic charm
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talk about our family in the cast so Charles Groden plays the dad did you
50:48
recognize him from anything Kyle you know what i thought I did i'm like man this guy's familiar i looked him up i
50:54
always look people up on Wikipedia while I'm watching a movie mhm and I'm like
51:00
were these titles that they sh I'm like I don't remember these movies but he looks familiar to you doesn't he but he
51:06
does but I think I might be from this film i just don't remember you maybe he
51:11
was also Did you see Midnight Run with Bobby D you don't That's That's Yeah I
51:17
don't think I did yeah he's got a lot of credits he started in TV
51:23
back in the 50s this is something I want to mention actually because I was surprised at how old he was mhm and how
51:31
young Bonnie Hunt is i was just going to Yes yeah like he was born in 35
51:38
or 39 or like in the 30s mhm and she was born in 60 60 or 61 there's like a 25
51:45
year age gap between them there is so he was 56 at the time of filming she was 29
51:53
but it didn't look weird to me until I read that like I I bought them as a
51:58
couple cuz he looks younger and she looks older I think yeah exactly exactly
52:03
it's funny too like now that this movie's like 33 years old the clothes she's wearing and the hairstyle she has
52:10
makes her seem so like matronly yeah makes her seem older in my view agreed i
52:17
bought him as like 42 like I I thought he looked way younger than which is
52:22
unusual we almost always say people look older like back in the day like I was going to
52:29
say like I'm 41 i don't look anywhere near the way he looks right yeah yeah i
52:34
don't know it's wild i was reading about this age difference being a thing it's interesting that I didn't blink twice
52:40
when I was watching the movie i didn't They didn't look weird to me together even though he technically could be her
52:48
dad oh sure age-wise so the director originally wanted a different actor that
52:53
was closer in age to Charles because they must have cast him first but then
52:59
they I guess had the best chemistry and he pointed out that like back in the day
53:05
Katherine Heppern would always co-star with people super old like Carrie Grant and Fred a stair Humphrey Bogart were
53:12
her romantic interests so he eventually agreed yeah you want someone around 40
53:19
in that role given the kid's age right right because I think Rice is in junior
53:25
high yeah i I think so cuz I think I remember
53:31
thinking I was about her age so she Yeah she was probably like 11 or 12 i'm the
53:36
actress who I looked up on Wikipedia [ __ ] smoke show now well did you watch The Nanny that's who she's she's
53:43
Maggie on the Nanny oh yeah okay thank you i was like she's been in other [ __ ]
53:49
mhm maggie and the Nanny the oldest daughter in that show yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah now that you say that I'm like
53:55
of course that's her but that was bugging me actually I didn't bother looking it up mind you but I saw I just
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looked up on Wikipedia when I was watching i was just I was trying to find people's ages
54:07
like she's born in late '7s so she's like a few years older than you but she's close enough to your age the the
54:14
son is actually the middle son is actually just a year older than you and did you rec Okay so so the actress
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who plays Rice her name is Nicole Tom and like we said she was on the nanny
54:28
and then Ted the middle child who's a boy
54:33
christopher Castile is the actor did you recognize him he seems so familiar but I
54:39
did not place him did you ever watch the show Step by Step yes yeah yeah that's
54:45
Yeah I Mark Suzanne Summer's Yeah son in that show yeah but he wasn't like that's
54:51
it i don't really I don't know what else he went on to do yeah that show was on the TJF lineup which was another as a
54:58
family we watched TGIF on Friday nights that's what you did yeah that's what he did i You know what i'm going to sell
55:05
this like an old person but I miss those days we've lost something katie I agree
55:10
i agree and I always I I am the old person like I don't have kids so nobody is to here to keep me young and hip hip
55:19
i'm worth it i'm hip tuck duck tuck duck and And I'm I don't care i feel like I
55:24
was born a grumpy old man like I've always been kind of a grumpy old man mhm
55:30
yeah it's just I feel like I'm like now that I'm 40 I'm like I feel more in my
55:35
own skin now then I don't think I was ever meant to be like a 21-year-old no yeah i've
55:42
always also like thinking about Bonnie Hunt and I feel bad because it's not like she was like wrinkly or anything it
55:48
was just again I think she just came across older for some reason than 29
55:55
yeah i would have pegged her closer to 40 yeah but I feel like I'm like that
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like I always look older i don't know i always present older than I am when I
56:07
was 25 people probably thought I was 35 you know oh okay yeah so did you like buy liquor for your friends when you
56:13
were young no cuz they carred they you I didn't but
56:19
I bought cigarettes sometimes I could buy cigarettes they bought me as a as an 18-year-old when I was 15 but that's Oh
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I forgot cuz you guys age 21 too yeah okay oh yeah you guys it's 18 eh
56:33
here in in Alberta it is some places in Canada it's 19 the little daughter
56:40
Sarah Rose Carr plays Emily the youngest daughter yeah yeah she has a very specific look about her right right i
56:49
feel like I remembered her from this vaguely or maybe it was from Kindergarten Cop because she was in
56:56
Kindergarten Cop and Father of the Bride it's not a tumor
57:02
and then Oliver Platt and Stanley Tucci i did not recall them at all they're the henchmen
57:09
david Dovny is one of the shady like finance types he and Patricia Heaton
57:16
they're I guess a couple because they have the same last name in the movie i
57:22
guess they have the same last name anyway um so Patricia Heaton is
57:29
obviously I mean I don't know you you've seen Everybody Loves Raymond I assume
57:35
yeah yeah yeah yeah so she's in that and then the middle which I really like the show The Middle i kind of like that show
57:42
i I liked them as villains even though their their villain character was so stupid like so stupid like big big city
57:50
people aren't like that but in these kind of movies they always are they always are like the childless career
57:57
woman in a lot of these movies is like a villain but they're invited for a
58:02
barbecue they're like "A barbecue how quaint i'm like no one would say that also
58:10
David Dubovnney I remember him being like the late '8s early 90s douchebag
58:18
type character like this like he was in he seems like that guy like he also played a very similar character in Don't
58:25
Tell Mom the babysitter's dead and I thought I misreciled
58:33
that he was Todd in like with Margot and Todd in Christmas Vacation oh yeah he's
58:40
not but it seems like one of those things when I looked it up
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i just I don't know this is just wild it's like a communal misrememance
58:53
because all over the internet other people thought the same thing and it's the Mandela effect you know who is in
58:59
Christmas Vacation john Gleki or like he played Johnny Gleki yeah he played
59:05
Leonard in Big Bang Theory he's the son in that movie yeah yeah he is it's weird
59:11
like how many people like they have childhood roles you don't think about
59:17
and then you go back and you're like "Oh he's the Yeah he's David from Roseanne to me." Oh yeah for sure yeah m I think
59:25
the that Big Bang Theory and Roseanne that's like the same guy right who did those
59:31
who directed those i think it was like Marcy Cary i know no
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no chuck Lori yeah i don't know if that was things
59:42
he did Big Bang Theory chuck Lori I think so yeah I think you're right he also did Roseanne i think they had that
59:48
the actress who played Darlene in Roseanne she's also on Big Bang yeah
59:54
it kind of has the same vibe a little bit actually he probably did he probably wasn't as big of a deal on Roseanne
1:00:01
because it was just so much further in the past yeah he was like his Yeah I think he was
1:00:08
involved in it yeah yeah I think you're right it happens occasionally you know mhm me
1:00:14
being right it does happen occasionally a broken clock is right twice a day this is true i was going to talk about Randy
1:00:22
Edelman who did the music for this because we talked about him in the Tall
1:00:29
Tale episode which actually Oliver Platt is also in
1:00:34
that anyway yeah he did the music for Tall Tale with Patrick in 95 as well as
1:00:40
the theme for MacGyver Randy Edelman and Twins
1:00:46
Ghostbusters 2 and Kindergarten Cop so he's got kind of a genre right yeah okay
1:00:53
so music-wise too I I showed my daughter the trailer for the movie to see if she
1:00:59
would be willing to watch it i was going to ask what she thought about it i was going to ask if she could be on
1:01:05
the pod for 5 minutes to talk about it but she's not here right now she's at her grandma's house or else I would have
1:01:11
asked you she didn't mind it it was like not her like different generation you
1:01:18
know what I mean like you show this to people she like but she she loves dogs
1:01:24
not only does she love our dog but she loves other dogs and she has like lots of dog stuffies like she's really into
1:01:29
dogs in general so that's the hook I use for this movie but I was going to say when I showed her the trailer
1:01:37
there's like this certain guitar riff that happens that I feel like is in
1:01:42
every '9s family movie trailer mhm mhm yeah like when there's like kind of the ramp up to what the movie's about and
1:01:49
I'm just like Jesus who what is this why does everyone have to play this i feel like I don't maybe I'm wrong but I just
1:01:55
feel like this is in every [ __ ] trailer back then you're right and there are certain
1:02:02
things like there's a formula to this type of a movie the from the opening to
1:02:08
the world building to the music yeah it's it's very formulaic
1:02:14
i guess there were a lot of good things about it like the actors were really good i thought all of the actors were good um the dog was great there were
1:02:22
like 12 standins for him but his name was Chris the dog's name Chris
1:02:30
what beethoven is Chris that's weird when you have Okay I've done this i made this i've had this sin with a dog before
1:02:37
but like giving dogs human names i had a dog named Marty remember I was
1:02:44
at work and I talked to this guy's name is Marty i'm like "Hey my dog's name Marty." He's like "Why did you give your dog a human name?" Marty
1:02:51
so there's some names like that that can kind of go either way but then there's
1:02:57
like what what are you going to name your dog your dog like Keith here Dave come here boy yeah you know there's
1:03:04
certain names that seem a little too human and it would be weird to name your dog that like Chris who names their dog
1:03:10
Chris we had a repair guy at our house and my dog Marty was doing something
1:03:15
stupid and my mom's like "Marty stop that." And this guy looked over and like
1:03:20
his name was Marty like Kyle or Katie would be weird dog
1:03:27
names right well they're weird names in general though not weird names but like
1:03:34
no one names their kids Kyle or maybe Katie a little bit but no one names their son Kyle nowadays very few people
1:03:42
like it's becoming an old person name katie is on its way i think Katie has a little more I think Kyle's a little more
1:03:47
flash in the pan yes that's the perfect Katie's more like traditional yeah a
1:03:53
little Your full name is Catherine right no it's Katie is it really katie okay
1:03:58
cool do you know my last name's a little long so I Yeah fair enough fair enough yeah um but yeah I feel like Katie or
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Catherine is will come and go mhm but it will always be there i feel like Kyle
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has always existed to a degree not always but like basically shot up in the
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70s 80s 90s yes and then is done it's all Ethan it's like in that same vein
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like it's like a cool edgy name kind of i think Kyle is like a internet
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you call someone it's like a kind of like a [ __ ] boy who drinks like monsters and has like a Dodge Ram it's not good
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oh I I thought you were thinking of like Chad a Chad or Yeah well that's like the new thing now yeah chad i think Chad is
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kind of not a bad thing necessarily incelss will not like a Chad but like a Chad is like a Chad gets laid right yes
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yeah yeah um I'm fine with my name i don't care if people make fun of it but yeah it's not like No one's name their
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kid Kyle and I'm cool with that it's Might I suggest Rice who doesn't like
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Grace it's not spelled like that though it's with a Y it's like It's like Bryce
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it's like Bryce with an R i actually am against naming your kids weird names
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especially I I'm really into conventional spelling for names same because it's like don't
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make your [ __ ] kid have to spell their name out to everyone for the rest of their life if you're gonna name your
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kid Ashley do not spell it with an L E I
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G H yeah or even this is more controversial don't spell Jeff g E O FF
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don't Joffrey it's like is he could do it but if you're English no don't do
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that or there's Utah is really bad for this oh like they'll they'll find like
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really just stupid ways to spell the most normal names i'm almost tempted to look up a few but it's like like Ashley
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be like a s h l e it's like McKenzie it' be like m a m a k
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e n s e i g h or something like McKenzie is one that that people if you're going
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to name there's a certain type of person that names their kid McKenzie first of all and then they always spell it a
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little weird I feel like Yeah yeah like I have to spell my last name to people because it's a slightly different
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spelling and like I've accepted it in just what I do but thank God there are
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other spellings of Kyle but mine's like by far the most common one if you do ke
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I l or k i e l I've seen that a couple times yeah exactly exactly but in my
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work there's like 110 people in my office there is a Kyle a Kyla and a
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Kylie mhm so I've never felt but like growing up there was always another Kyle
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in my class yeah anyway this we digress but yeah
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Rice don't names fun with names
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rice is a bad idea and if you're going to do it spell it R I C E don't be a [ __ ] [ __ ] and make them explain
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both their weird name and the weird spelling of their weird name agreed
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agreed agreed yeah let's see oh '9s things there was just like so many
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formulaic stuff from the '9s which I kind of loved because it's it was like a time capsule but Doberman's as like mean
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vicious dogs junkyard Dogs yeah mhm loved that yeah i just The '9s just
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cheesy movie in general yes i'm like ah the '9s the '9s it's funny how as
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different as it looked it wasn't that different true like that house could be a house today other than maybe some
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technology differences but you know in general like the decor wasn't like
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awful like screaming ' 90s at you yeah yeah or like the cars looked a bit
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different mhm but you know and like clothes were a little bit It wasn't that
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different though like it's we've talked about this on the other show but it's like there's something about I don't know why but like between the 70s and
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the 90s seems like a long time maybe because I wasn't there for it but if you look at the style in 1972 versus 1992 or
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let's go back 33 years from 1992 so like 1969 would look way [ __ ] different
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from 1992 and it does look different from 1992 to
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now that the difference isn't nearly as big i feel like if I showed up looking like this in 1992 no one would say [ __ ]
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yeah you're right yeah they'd be like "Cool name Kyle." Such a stylish name i remember when I
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saw Terminator and the character was Kyle Reese and I was like I've never seen a Kyle in film it was like you
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don't see a lot of Kyle's in film but you don't yeah you're right interesting you see we got laid as we do
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it's a kind of our thing just saying there was one thing that I was not expecting to happen that I enjoyed but
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before that at the end when the bad guys get caught right that that of course is
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going to happen it's a happy ending spoiler alert yes and they free all the dogs in the cages i Was it just me or
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were you screaming at the TV what are you doing can we do this in an orderly fashion so we can find their owners
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you're just setting you're just creating a bunch of stray animals just just the the you know okay haven't you ever heard
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these stories about a family pet that gets lost on a road trip vacation and they somehow
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homeward bounding like 700 miles to your house i think the movie producers Well
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this will just happen with all these pets here they're probably find their way home no cars will hit them no other
1:10:23
shady characters will pick them up and try and sell them for some purposes that are not good like bait
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dogs and stuff so yeah that drove me insane and then at the end when they're
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like "Good night Beethoven." So now they love Beethoven and he gets to sleep in their room with them i can't remember if
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he was on the bed or not was Beethoven on the bed with them oh I can't remember but yeah he's in that little dog house
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that I'm like "How does he fit in that thing?" Oh well so then they're like "Good night good night Beethoven." And
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then I thought "Oh for sure." Then they're going to We It's not over yet and I'm like "Oh they adopted the little
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Jack Russell dog." That was kind of his little sidekick this Oh yes yes all the dogs live with them yeah i was not
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expecting all of those dogs i guess that's where they all went
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oh I didn't even realize that they tattoo the ears i don't know if they had microchips in the early 90s they did in
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the late 90s i know in 1998 microchips for dogs was common because we
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microchipped our dog in 1998 but there is identific
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chipped I assume they are yeah yeah but yeah in '92 I don't know if they would be but still find their Yeah like cuz I
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remember like the more expensive option was chipping but otherwise would get
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neutered or whatever while they're down anyways they just tattoo their ear while they're like asleep oh okay it's just
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the inside of their ear so like you can't you wouldn't notice it otherwise i had heard of people like high society
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types that are like care about the bloodlines and stuff like they'll have there's like a specific tattoo for the
1:12:04
Oh sure whatever blood that's like huge business like you like certain dog breeding and bloodlines and just adopt
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your local mut from your animal shelter exactly because they love you just as much as a peerbred and peerbred dogs
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have many physical deficiencies because you're not supposed to inbreed them like that they are your dog will be far
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healthier but I would also like to say even if even if you want a purebred dog
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something like 40% of dogs in shelters are purebred plus there is a dog rescue for every breed
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out there i have blood hounds and they're both rescues and Bubble was even a baby when I got her but from a rescue
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yeah yeah well it's saying rescues are cheaper and like more ethical like what what's the
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downside well they're not always cheaper but but they will already come sped or
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neutered so there's that yeah I know like for cats here they just give
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them away like they can't you don't have to pay for a cat here well the cuz cat
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there's so gosh darn many of them yeah exactly charge something to to weed out
1:13:15
people will do horrible things that is a business that people will go in the take all the free animals and use them for
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either food for their snake if it's a kitten or kitten to really
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that's [ __ ] nuts i I know people do it with mice and stuff like that yeah or dog fighting bait or you know various
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thing like pe people are sick so people are people are there's a lot of [ __ ] up people there really are also don't
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ever let your pets outside unattended because they do actually get stolen for those same types of purposes anyway
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that's my PSA for you all be careful people watch out your goddamn pets
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people yeah keep an eye on them and yeah so I guess I didn't even think of that
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all those dogs but either way they're out loose now you got to wrangle them
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somehow how do they come home what do you You can't like It's just a
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You know what i'm okay with all the dogs being there because it's so stupid at this point like my will is just broken i
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also love how that guy the main villain the vet got like a
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dozen syringes to the chest yeah they were like giant like cartoonish looking
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fluid fil and so my wife works in the medical field and she thought it was funny that all of the syringes are like
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up like this she's like "Who would do that?"
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Oh so many things not not quite right i did see so Dr dr varnick who we didn't
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talk about he he's actually played by Dean Jones and he's a singer more so
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than an actor and has won awards for it but they considered the dad from ALF to
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play him h I got a kick out of his glasses
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dr barnick yeah he had like really strong prescription glasses or like his
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eyes were magnified it kind of reminds me of Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys
1:15:20
yeah yeah I can see that there's a bias against glasses though i think they did that for a reason
1:15:26
well he was supposed to be you know veterinarian they're like nerdy scientists i don't know the worse your
1:15:33
vision is the more the smarter you are that is how that works i'm pretty sure it Yes well I must be brilliant then
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cuz I can't see for [ __ ] what's your prescription i don't have one i had
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LASIC done twice oh okay but I like now and so the older you get they're like
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"Well you'll need reading glasses." I'm like "No I need glasses." Glasses i can't see still fur there's a one in my
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office that got LASIK at 40 and she's 51 now and she wears glasses i've never had
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2020 even with LASIK do you ever Did you ever use contacts
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i hated them i showed it one like one time and I wore them for like 20 years
1:16:18
from like sixth grade on i think there's like a ton of casting whatifs essentially like every famous actor in
1:16:24
the approximate age range for both George and Alice so I didn't really
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think that was that interesting i was just thinking of the
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I think Ed O'Neal would have been funniest to Did you see that he was one of them considered oh no i just
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Beethoven really I think had probably one of the shakiest plots that I've ever seen in a
1:16:49
movie ever yeah ever ever not just like '90s family movies but yeah one of the dumbest plots now I haven't seen
1:16:55
Battlefield Earth i don't know what that is okay oh I think actually it's rated the worst
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movie of all time but it was funded and written kind of a John Travolta but it's
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based off a Elron Hubard yes yes I've heard of it this thing was just
1:17:14
shoehorned in there to promote Scientology it's the dumbest [ __ ] movie so people
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say I actually kind of want to watch it just like to hate watch it suggestion Katie you know you don't have to do
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Battlefield Earth so it's just it like a propaganda movie or I know I don't know it was based on a book written by Elron
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Hubard where it's like it's like the year 3000 and these aliens kind of run Earth instead of humans and oh they're
1:17:40
like resisting against them and which doesn't sound horrible like that's but
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Elbert was a nut job and I think a lot of his books sucked so and this apparently was one of them like had not
1:17:54
George Travolta funded it so much i think it never no one would have invested in it now that you brought that
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I have heard of it i don't know if I want to waste two hours on something like that but anyways so this is
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Battlefield Earth might be a contender for worst plot perhaps but this was one
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of the stupidest plots you know just the fact that it's a dog that's all you need i love a giant breed
1:18:18
dog like I have blood hounds now i had I've had three Great Danes i had a mastiff mix i I love a big dog but man
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not even that could rescue this movie for me it's just like a chaotic mix of
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nonsense shoved together and it's almost like they tried to make the plot convoluted
1:18:39
and not make sense like you couldn't make it that bad if you tried so I don't
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know i I do not blame John Hughes for not wanting to put his real name on this
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but I feel like the villains and that was put in at the end
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like I feel like they just had this family like they knew they would have to have a villain so they wrote it with
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that in mind but I think they're like "Okay we need to come up with something like it was an afterthought." But there were two like there was even like a
1:19:08
Bplot there was like secondary villains yeah but it's like the villains are just I think they're there because you're
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supposed to have them even though they're not needed but it's like as you were talking about how like formulaic
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these '9s family movies are you have to have a villain i understand that you
1:19:26
have to have conflict you have to have a challenge to overcome but that can come from within in the family have to come from glasses [ __ ] which if you want
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to like it's a trademark name but like if if you
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really want to go with a plot where they're going to kill the doctors the dog do this big corporation Mhm want to
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do testing on animals say it's like some European makeup company or some [ __ ] like that make them the corporate
1:19:53
henchmen what's wrong with that you could do that that's believable small town vet doing munitions testing is like
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what drug were you doing when you came up with that and well I guess we have to seek out the big dog like biggest dog
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also they not only want to keep Beethoven overnight for observation
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after some just like annual shots not only that but then there is an
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unannounced house call from the veterinarian to follow up about vaccines
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it's I don't know man but at least Beethoven was cute in all stages beethoven was a cute dog kyle thank you
Final thoughts on Beethoven’s nostalgic value
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so much for joining me on season two and living through Beethoven because I
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remembered it very differently than re-watching it the other day what are
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your closing thoughts i paid $5 to rent that off Prime and I don't feel bad okay
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you know what it was even though the movie had a stupid plot it brought back some memories it brought some nostalgia
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for me it was an excuse for my family to get together and I think that's what a lot of these movies were for and for
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that reason I'm okay with it for its time and for its place it was good
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enough it could have been better they definitely could have made some things better but it got the job done the box
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office showed that it got the job done it is what it is and I'm just I'm
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willing to just accept it's all good i concur i concur
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well you guys if you enjoyed this little trip down memory lane even though we
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poked a lot of holes in it share the show write a quick review or you can just say hi i'm all ears and until next
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